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@shavixmir said
Surely one is pardoned for a specific deed. Not just for any deed and not for any sort of deed that may occur in the future.
One can be pardoned for a specific crime.

One can also get a "pre-emptive" pardon: "a pardon for any crimes an individual may have committed or may have been charged with. " https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/legal-system/presidential-pardon-power-and-its-limits.html

The President can only pardon for federal crimes. And he cannot pardon for crimes not yet committed.

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@suzianne said
@vivify said
Also, Congress should have the ability to deny certain pardons.
(Shrug) They don't.

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@no1marauder
What about preemptive pardons for crimes already committed but not yet charged? Suppose a Biden AG wants to pursue the Trump children and then starts an investigation, would the preemptive bit stop that too?

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@sonhouse said
@no1marauder
What about preemptive pardons for crimes already committed but not yet charged? Suppose a Biden AG wants to pursue the Trump children and then starts an investigation, would the preemptive bit stop that too?
Yes, for federal crimes anyway.

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@no1marauder said
Yes, for federal crimes anyway.
Complere madness.

Anyhoo... the orangetang has just pardoned 4 Blackwater guards...

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@shavixmir said
Complere madness.

Anyhoo... the orangetang has just pardoned 4 Blackwater guards...
I'm aware; murderers of foreign civilians have gotten particular leniency from the Donald. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/11/16/trump-grants-clemency-to-troops-in-three-controversial-war-crimes-cases/

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@vivify said
This happened in the past with Richard Nixon, where he was granted a preemptive pardon for any and all offenses relating to his investigation.
"Pre-emptive" does not mean for a crime not yet committed; what is pre-empted is a court case for an alleged crime already committed.

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@shavixmir said
Surely you can’t pardon someone who’s not been sentenced.
Yes, one can, but not for a crime or alleged crime which has not yet been committed.

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@moonbus said
"Pre-emptive" does not mean for a crime not yet committed; what is pre-empted is a court case for an alleged crime already committed.
I know. That's why I said "related to his investigation".

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The post that was quoted here has been removed
Now Stone’s been pardoned as well.

Ahhh, no whiff of corruption anywhere...