Originally posted by MooTheCow
What I don't understand is why they can't give Terry a lethal injection. It's a much better way of dying than starving, and it appeals to both sides. Her husband would be satisfied earlier, her parents would rather see her die peacefully than by starvation, and the public would not have to hear about countless court cases over this.
Honoring your wish will be the next step down the Slippery Slope.
The euthanasiasts will "agree" with the critics that starving people to death is inhumane and a lethal injection is a more "humane" method.
The reason why they didn't propose this in the Terri Schiavo case has to do with the circumstance that the general public would raise an eyebrow here and there and many might even oppose such a "treatment". If the public asks for it like you do now they of course have a much stronger case. They will present "scientific" and "democratic" polls to the media who will gladly parrot the "wishes of the people". They will frase the questions in such a way that they can claim that even I am in favour of it.
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Originally posted by Joe Fist
I agree with you, Moo. I don't really have an opinion on whether or not this poor woman is alive or can recover. I guess I don't think she can but I think this is no way to die "dignified". It's sadist. We give convicted murderers more "dignity".
See what I mean, MooTheCow ?
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Originally posted by ivanhoeWow!
They will frase the questions in such a way that they can claim that even I am in favour of it.
That is one poll I just got ta see!
I'll tell you what joe. if they can phrase a question of "Kill Or Let Live" that you vote "kill"... I will just pack up and die on the spot as an apology to the universe.
You are a piece of work. And a damned fine work of art.
And I know you are right because you are outnumbered a hundred mindless chimps to one caring person.
I can't even begin to express how unimpressed I am with the "pack of twenty" mindless numbskulls who put you down because they can't really come up with counter arguements to your religious bullshit.
I can. But they don't even try. They just assume a "superior" attitude that as long as the "Hopelessly Silly Liberals Like Us" hang together... then victory is just around the corner. They are not even smart enough as to state a goal that when "achieved" will "prove" their victory. Anyway. for what it's worth... I really don't agree with your message of religion. But I am on your side against those pseudo libs who can't argue except as silly little children and spurned cats.
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Originally posted by ivanhoeI don't know if your comment is meant as a condescending slam to me or not, Ivanhoe. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was not meant be.
See what I mean, MooTheCow ?
As I indicated in my first response, I really don't know or have thoroughly examined the known evidence to determine if this woman is living or not. My opinion is she is not and hasn't for 15 years. Based on my assumption, to starve her to me is draconian.
If she could be saved, then every resource possible should be utiized but I can't imagine that is not the case. Again, I have not reviewed all of the information.
Originally posted by StarValleyWy
Wow!
That is one poll I just got ta see!
I'll tell you what joe. if they can phrase a question of "Kill Or Let Live" that you vote "kill"... I will just pack up and die on the spot as an apology to the universe.
You are a piece of work. And a damned fine work of art.
And I know you are right because you are outnumbered a hundred mindles ...[text shortened]... ide against those pseudo libs who can't argue except as silly little children and spurned cats.
Sorry SVW, but I never argue against euthanasia, infanticide and abortion issues from a religious point of view.
If someone thinks differently please present the (written!) evidence.
Originally posted by Joe Fist
I don't know if your comment is meant as a condescending slam to me or not, Ivanhoe. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was not meant be.
As I indicated in my first response, I really don't know or have thoroughly examined the known evidence to determine if this woman is living or not. My opinion is she is not and hasn't for 15 years. Based on my assumption, to starve her to me is draconian.
I agree with you on the fact that starvation and dehydration is draconian. The general public will have that stance too, just like you and me. This fact will be used by the euthanasiasts to propose to do it differently in the future. A lethal injection is much more "humane". Who can argue against that do you think ? ..... not me ..... can you ?
By the way, it was not meant as a condescending slam. Your request was used as an example of what will happen next on the societal development that is called "Slippery Slope".
Originally posted by ivanhoeAh, I understand what you mean and I agree this will turn into something very dangerous. I do support Euthanasia but only in a precise set of circumstances and there has been enough contrary evidence here, I think, that if anything determines a more extensive review.
I agree with you on the fact that starvation and dehydration is draconian. The general public will have that stance too, just like you and me. This fact will be used by the euthanasiasts to propose to do it differently in the future. A lethal injection is much more "humane". Who can argue against that do you think ? ..... not me ..... can you ?
By ...[text shortened]... example of what will happen next on the societal development that is called "Slippery Slope".
My apologies for assuming the "slam" and I think you make an excellent point 🙂
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Originally posted by CrazyLilTingThis report, among others, shows why an investigation into the way the courts, in particular Judge Greer of course, have weighed the evidence is necessary. Why was certain evidence accepted by the court as "credible" and other evidence pointing in another direction labeled as "not credible" because for instance the given evidence was in "contradiction with the existing medical record".
follow this link:
http://www.hospicepatients.org/dr-walker-t-schiavo-bone-scan-deposition.txt
-J
Trusting the judges and courts blindly and without sound criticism is not what I have in mind of doing in such a case which is extremely important on so many levels.
Originally posted by Joe Fist
Ah, I understand what you mean and I agree this will turn into something very dangerous. I do support Euthanasia but only in a precise set of circumstances and there has been enough contrary evidence here, I think, that if anything determines a more extensive review.
My apologies for assuming the "slam" and I think you make an excellent point 🙂
Thanks Joe 🙂
Originally posted by ivanhoeI agree. You never 'argue' it at all. You simply assert that your point of view
Sorry SVW, but I never argue against euthanasia, infanticide and abortion issues from a religious point of view.
If someone thinks differently please present the (written!) evidence.
is correct and that all other points of view are a part of the 'culture of death'
and that by disagreeing with you we place ourselves on an inexorable slide
down into 'unwilled third-party infanticide' or some such lunatic ravings.
Nemesio
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Originally posted by Nemesio
I agree. You never 'argue' it at all. You simply assert that your point of view
is correct and that all other points of view are a part of the 'culture of death'
and that by disagreeing with you we place ourselves on an inexorable ...[text shortened]... third-party infanticide' or some such lunatic ravings.
Nemesio
Thanks, I love you too .....
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Originally posted by ivanhoeYou really need to actually read some of these documents. Here's what it says:
This report, among others, shows why an investigation into the way the courts, in particular Judge Greer of course, have weighed the evidence is necessary. Why was certain evidence accepted by the court as "credible" and other evidence p ...[text shortened]... in such a case which is extremely important on so many levels.
Q Okay. So of the documents that you had
21 the benefit of reviewing, the only fracture that
22 showed up was a compression fracture to L1?
23 A You're speaking of the documents at the
24 time that this was interpreted?
25 Q Correct.
? 55
1 A Yes. That's correct.
That ain't the "35 broken bones" that SVW was claiming. The same witness said the compression fracture at L1 could have been caused by a fall during a cardiac incident. He also said he never examined Terri. The doctor who ordered the bone scan did not agree with this affiant's findings and he actually was the one treating and examining Terri at the time. The matter was discussed in a court decision and found to be not relevant to what Terri's wishes were. http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder11-02-scan.pdf page 2 in particular where it is stated that the doctor who ordered the bone scan do not agree with the affiant's findings.
Originally posted by ivanhoeOn this allegation that somehow Judge Greer should be "investigated" for how he handled this case even though every appellate court as upheld his decision, I can add little to what was said by the impartial Florida lawyer on the Abstractappeal site:
This report, among others, shows why an investigation into the way the courts, in particular Judge Greer of course, have weighed the evidence is necessary. Why was certain evidence accepted by the court as "credible" and other evidence pointing in another direction labeled as "not credible" because for instance the given evidence was in "contradiction ...[text shortened]... what I have in mind of doing in such a case which is extremely important on so many levels.
The facts of this case are terribly sad, but they are not hard to understand. There's really nothing to be confused about, and as best I can tell, nothing's been overlooked by anyone. Terri's situation has arguably received more judicial attention, more medical attention, more executive attention, and more "due process," than any other guardianship case in history. Terri's family has had the benefit of excellent legal representation as well as the Governor's own top-notch attorneys, all of whom have scoured the case for ways to assist the effort to keep Terri's feeding tube in place.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI wish a tree would fall on a certain Big foot Big mouth ranting weasel brain in this forum.
Thank you for your very "reasoned" review. I will give it all the attention it deserves.
Ho hum. That's enough.
Question?
"If a big-foot farts in a big forest does a tree fall for it's ears to hear?"
Or does it just go on prattlin' to itself in hopes of one day attracting a mate based on the prodigious loudness and smell?[/b]