25 Nov '18 13:57>
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6424407/Every-person-spawned-single-pair-adults-living-200-000-years-ago-scientists-claim.html
@kquinn909 saidInteresting scientific find. I'm sure they'll be more research on this. I'm reminded of something a young Rabbi said on TV a few years ago. "If one has to research scientific and archaeological evidence to support or give evidence of their faith, then how much faith do they have??"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6424407/Every-person-spawned-single-pair-adults-living-200-000-years-ago-scientists-claim.html
@sonhouse saidOr if it is proven even to Christians and Jews there was no WW flood, how do you keep your faith?
Or, on the other hand, if science proves life started in mud flats or some such, how can you keep your faith in the bible or whatever religious book you follow? Or if it is proven even to Christians and Jews there was no WW flood, how do you keep your faith?
@sonhouse saidRight, but this only creates a bigger debate...
Or, on the other hand, if science proves life started in mud flats or some such, how can you keep your faith in the bible or whatever religious book you follow? Or if it is proven even to Christians and Jews there was no WW flood, how do you keep your faith?
@philokalia saidI agree. The multiplicity of interpretations is what facilitated the survival of Christianity. If any single interpretation had ever been imposed on the doctrine, the faith would have died out long ago, along with Gnosticism, Manichaeism, and a thousand other now-dead religions, because it would have appealed to too few people to replicate itself.
Right, but this only creates a bigger debate...
I've heard an Orthodox nun discuss the Old Testament as divinely inspired text but one that is not vital in the least, like it is a thing which describes events in poetic terms and is not even necessarily meant to be handled in this way. I've also heard Orthodox fathers who are like Young Earth creationists, and Orthodox ...[text shortened]... ause it suits you now... Yet, this actually isn't fully reflective of our tradition and our beliefs.
@kquinn909 saidI haven't yet read the original research paper, only the Daily Mail review. Bearing in mind that the DM is a sensationalist rag ... even the DM article makes clear that the findings, if borne out by further research, do not support a literalist interpretation of Genesis. Indeed, the findings confirm deep time, at the very least. What they indicate is a re-iteration of something which other research has already concluded, namely, that there have been several mass extinctions in the distant past; moreover, the findings assume that evolution did occur, for millions of years, prior to a mass extinction event. There have been other findings which indicate that the human population may have dropped to a few thousand at very distant periods in the past; this is the first I have heard that the population might have dropped to only two (which could be an artefact of their data base).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6424407/Every-person-spawned-single-pair-adults-living-200-000-years-ago-scientists-claim.html
@kquinn909 saidFrom the link:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6424407/Every-person-spawned-single-pair-adults-living-200-000-years-ago-scientists-claim.html
The study has been misunderstood by some religious parties who thought it meant that we all came into being in some seminal Big Bang-typed event 100,000 ago, but this isn't what the findings actually suggest.
@philokalia saidNot just his error. In fact, I know of only two kinds of people who have such an inflexible view on what Christians "must" believe: fundamentalists, and atheists.
What I think your error is, Sonhouse, is that you are eager to assign to Christianity an extremely inflexible position that is not necessarily reflective of Christianity because that is the position that is easy to combat.
@philokalia saidRubbish.
Indeed, Fr. Lemaitre was the guy famous for finalizing the Big Bang theory...
@kquinn909 saidWell I cannot argue with that!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6424407/Every-person-spawned-single-pair-adults-living-200-000-years-ago-scientists-claim.html