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  1. 20 Aug '12 19:31
    The following article claims that Ahmadinejad did not say Israel when quoted as doing so. How accurate are the translations?

    http://www.newworldliberty.com/newsarticle/iran%E2%80%99s-words-mistranslated-again-americans-trying-start-war
  2. 20 Aug '12 20:07
    I'm not sure, since I don't speak Farsi, nor do I know anyone who does. But let's ask "[...] a user run website that features [...] user submitted activism videos, documentaries, journal articles, personal blog posts and daily new artilcles which are all aimed at preventing further globalization and war by the super elite."
  3. 20 Aug '12 22:55
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    I'm not sure, since I don't speak Farsi, nor do I know anyone who does. But let's ask "[...] a user run website that features [...] user submitted activism videos, documentaries, journal articles, personal blog posts and daily new artilcles which are all aimed at preventing further globalization and war by the super elite."
    And what is wrong with that?
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    20 Aug '12 23:14
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    And what is wrong with that?
    Nothing's "wrong" with it. It just obviously has no independent reliability.
  5. 21 Aug '12 01:39
    Originally posted by sh76
    Nothing's "wrong" with it. It just obviously has no independent reliability.
    What source of info is acceptable to you, the New York Times?

    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/israeli-minister-agrees-ahmadinejad-never-said-israel-must-be-wiped-off-the-map/
  6. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    21 Aug '12 02:33
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    What source of info is acceptable to you, the New York Times?

    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/israeli-minister-agrees-ahmadinejad-never-said-israel-must-be-wiped-off-the-map/
    I thought we were talking about the quote from this past week.
  7. 21 Aug '12 13:52
    Originally posted by sh76
    I thought we were talking about the quote from this past week.
    If we are talking about translations we should discuss all of them that are disputed.

    What sources of info would be acceptable to you?
    Is the New York Times one of them?
  8. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Aug '12 14:06
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    If we are talking about translations we should discuss all of them that are disputed.

    What sources of info would be acceptable to you?
    Is the New York Times one of them?
    Are there any Farsi speakers who dispute the claim made in your OP ?
  9. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    21 Aug '12 14:42
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    If we are talking about translations we should discuss all of them that are disputed.

    What sources of info would be acceptable to you?
    Is the New York Times one of them?
    The headline of your OP used the word "Again." Now we're going back to the 2005 quote. Obviously, the "Again" could not have referred to the original quote.

    Go ahead. Try to explain away this most recent quote.

    Yes, the NY Times is an acceptable course.
  10. 21 Aug '12 15:54
    Originally posted by FMF
    Are there any Farsi speakers who dispute the claim made in your OP ?
    Not that I am aware of.
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Aug '12 15:57
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    Not that I am aware of.
    Well if you think the claim in your OP is not disputed by anyone who speaks Farsi, what is the issue? What is there to debate?
  12. Subscriber WoodPush
    Pusher of wood
    21 Aug '12 16:04
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    The following article claims that Ahmadinejad did not say Israel when quoted as doing so. How accurate are the translations?

    http://www.newworldliberty.com/newsarticle/iran%E2%80%99s-words-mistranslated-again-americans-trying-start-war
    That website gives me this:


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    User run website, indeed.
  13. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Aug '12 16:15
    Originally posted by WoodPush
    Warning: User 'newworld_captain' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current value: 180000) query: SELECT 1 FROM access WHERE type = 'host' AND LOWER('128.177.27.54' LIKE LOWER(mask) AND status = 0 LIMIT 0, 1 in /home/newworld/public_html/includes/database.mysqli.inc on line 134
    Evidence of a conspiracy to silence those who speak Farsi, perhaps.
  14. 21 Aug '12 16:16
    Originally posted by sh76
    The headline of your OP used the word "Again." Now we're going back to the 2005 quote. Obviously, the "Again" could not have referred to the original quote.

    Go ahead. Try to explain away this most recent quote.

    Yes, the NY Times is an acceptable course.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?pagewanted=all
  15. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Aug '12 16:21
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?pagewanted=all
    October 30, 2005?