I’ve lived in some pretty warm countries: Israel, India, Scotland and Thailand, for example.
And I love ceiling ventilators. They always cool me down enough, without upsetting my balance with the temperature outside.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gyqldl3p5o
Big discussion in France between the Greens and the Right-wing parties.
Now, my wife is a left-wing peace loving hippie… and she loves airco. Where I happily drive around with the windows and roof open, basking in the Sun, she wants the airco on.
My kid’s a teenage emo and doesn’t want the hair blown about, so he wants airco as well.
It doesn’t seem, to me, to be a left-wing vs right-wing issue.
Airco disturbs you getting used to the temperature outside, it gives me a dry throat and a headache.
So, ventilators are my thing.
What do you all think? Vents or airco? Which is better?
@shavixmir saidKeep in mind you live in Holland, where temperatures are much cooler than most countries. Your summers aren't as extreme as other places.
Airco disturbs you getting used to the temperature outside, it gives me a dry throat and a headache.
So, ventilators are my thing.
@shavixmir
So the debate is why would we take you seriously about anything when you just said your son is an emo?
Lmao you got a little Nancy boy hahaahaaa
Edit: that explains a lot actually 🤔
@PuzZuLz saidYeah, the mere fact you think that makes someone’s arguments worth less, says an awful lot about your moronity.
@shavixmir
So the debate is why would we take you seriously about anything when you just said your son is an emo?
Lmao you got a little Nancy boy hahaahaaa
Edit: that explains a lot actually 🤔
So formulating conflicting hypothesis without assaulting anyone:
Air Conditioning (often abbreviated as AC here as Airco) is the way to go for alleviating high temperatures
Ceiling ventilator is the way to go for alleviating high temperatures.
My choice would be the ventilator. The created airflow is cooling the skin by evaporation cooling, and this also works at high humidity. It is comparatively cheap on energey use.
Air conditioning is creating a high amount of excess heat for a (comparaby) small amount of cool island. Since the gardient is always moving heat to cold places, it has to run continously .
Air conditiong has its uses, but I observe excessive use (rooms at 20°C at outer temperatures beyond 35) that are not healthy. A pet peeve of mine are people who need 25°C in winter , but can't live at 25°C in summer. So in their houses it is always much too warm (in winter!) or much too cold (In summer!) for me.
Our home has both, and also honeycomb window blinds.
Aircon is extremely wasteful of energy, and better used as a last resort for most people.
Ceiling fan is cheaper but cools a smaller volume of air, so it's not always cooling exactly where you want it.
My personal preference is the insulated honeycomb blinds which cover our windows during extreme heat or cold. No cost beyond the original low purchase price, and no servicing required, and no noise.
@Ponderable saidMost middle class homes around here in the blazing hot tropics [not sure you people know what that feels like], all year round, have A/C in all rooms. Also its not about the heat. Its the humidity which is also very high. A/C fixes both problems. Electricity is cheap and China massproduces cheap replaceable A/C units. A few decades ago we were not that lucky.
So formulating conflicting hypothesis without assaulting anyone:
Air Conditioning (often abbreviated as AC here as Airco) is the way to go for alleviating high temperatures
Ceiling ventilator is the way to go for alleviating high temperatures.
My choice would be the ventilator. The created airflow is cooling the skin by evaporation cooling, and this also works at ...[text shortened]... er. So in their houses it is always much too warm (in winter!) or much too cold (In summer!) for me.
Heat and humidity damages electronics, so its better to invest in air conditioning, than constantly replace electronic items.
@Ponderable saidFunny you mention 25C, since my thermostat is set to 25C (77F) year 'round.
So formulating conflicting hypothesis without assaulting anyone:
Air Conditioning (often abbreviated as AC here as Airco) is the way to go for alleviating high temperatures
Ceiling ventilator is the way to go for alleviating high temperatures.
My choice would be the ventilator. The created airflow is cooling the skin by evaporation cooling, and this also works at ...[text shortened]... er. So in their houses it is always much too warm (in winter!) or much too cold (In summer!) for me.
Since 45C outside is common in summer, this is quite adequate. The only major change is switching from heat to AC (usually near the end of May) and from AC to heat (usually in mid/late November). It can get down to 7-10C outside at night in winter (like January/February). March/April and October sometimes no heat or AC all day. Just fans for air movement.
@Kewpie saidI’ve never heard of honey comb blinds.
Our home has both, and also honeycomb window blinds.
Aircon is extremely wasteful of energy, and better used as a last resort for most people.
Ceiling fan is cheaper but cools a smaller volume of air, so it's not always cooling exactly where you want it.
My personal preference is the insulated honeycomb blinds which cover our windows during extreme heat or cold. No cost beyond the original low purchase price, and no servicing required, and no noise.
So I looked them up. That is clever! And noise reducing as well.
I’m gonna have to look into it! Cheers!
@Suzianne saidChrist, where do you live?
Funny you mention 25C, since my thermostat is set to 25C (77F) year 'round.
Since 45C outside is common in summer, this is quite adequate. The only major change is switching from heat to AC (usually near the end of May) and from AC to heat (usually in mid/late November). It can get down to 7-10C outside at night in winter (like January/February). March/April and October sometimes no heat or AC all day. Just fans for air movement.
In the Netherlands the average temperatures are between 1°c and 24°c.
We’re in a heatwave now 35°c and these are rare.
@Rajk999 saidI’ve spent months in Thailand and India.
Most middle class homes around here in the blazing hot tropics [not sure you people know what that feels like], all year round, have A/C in all rooms. Also its not about the heat. Its the humidity which is also very high. A/C fixes both problems. Electricity is cheap and China massproduces cheap replaceable A/C units. A few decades ago we were not that lucky.
Heat and h ...[text shortened]... electronics, so its better to invest in air conditioning, than constantly replace electronic items.
Around March and April it was very hot and extremely humid.
My main problem with the AC was that you don’t get used to the heat. So everytime you go out it’s like getting hit with a sack of warmth.
So, I preferred getting used to the heat and just accepting constant sweating as part of life.
I agree that the AC is probably better for electronics and such though.
@shavixmir saidWhen driving about town by myself, usually the temperature outside has to get above 85 F before I consider closing the windows and turning on the AC. At highway speeds I always close the windows, no matter the temperature, on account of the noise and aerodynamic drag.
I’ve lived in some pretty warm countries: Israel, India, Scotland and Thailand, for example.
And I love ceiling ventilators. They always cool me down enough, without upsetting my balance with the temperature outside.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gyqldl3p5o
Big discussion in France between the Greens and the Right-wing parties.
Now, my wife is a left-wing ...[text shortened]... headache.
So, ventilators are my thing.
What do you all think? Vents or airco? Which is better?
@Ponderable saidIt's probably down to humidity. In a cold climate, getting a house up to 25°C in winter results in very low humidity, whereas in the summer the same house might be at 25°C but have high humidity.
A pet peeve of mine are people who need 25°C in winter , but can't live at 25°C in summer. So in their houses it is always much too warm (in winter!) or much too cold (In summer!) for me.
I think 25°C is pretty nice in a house at night during summer, and don't really mind 27°C in the daytime. Fans, especially ceiling fans ("ventilators"?) are the way to go, with AC only being used sparingly. We have a heat pump system, which makes heating and cooling the house more efficient.
What I can't stand is being in a building in the summer that's air conditioned at 20°C. That's ridiculously cold.