It's happening, thanks to the MAGA idiots! 😆
Socialism includes things like free equal justice for all, free education, taxation to support infrastructure, one person-one vote, and social safety nets to ensure that no one dies of hunger or exposure. Capitalism provides lots of nice things, but it doesn't provide *ANY* of these (as Abraham Lincoln famously observed.)
Socialism provides the foundation of a just society. Capitalism flourishes ON TOP of a socialist base and DIES otherwise (i.e. becomes corrupt, crony-capitalism.)
Never confuse the respective roles. We must be both socialist and capitalist to thrive. 😆
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The capitalist alternatives:
One person-one vote: How many votes can I buy? (qv. Citizen's United)
Equal Justice: How much will a favorable verdict cost me? (qv. expensive lawyers; endless appeals)
Public Infrastructure: Sell public lands and make all roads toll roads.
Free Education: Education for those who can pay (qv. eliminating public schools)
Safety Nets: Fuuk the poor (qv. French Revolution)
America has gone VERY far towards abandoning socialism. Now people are waking up to the fact that this is an EXTREMELY bad idea because capitalism doesn't provide many of the things we absolutely need and value including freedom, liberty, and a democratic society. 😆
@spruce112358 saidAbuse of welfare services is the problem in the US. There are some people who are happy to live off the state and do nothing to contribute.
It's happening, thanks to the MAGA idiots! 😆
Socialism includes things like free equal justice for all, free education, taxation to support infrastructure, one person-one vote, and social safety nets to ensure that no one dies of hunger or exposure. Capitalism provides lots of nice things, but it doesn't provide *ANY* of these (as Abraham Lincoln famously observed.) ...[text shortened]... alism.)
Never confuse the respective roles. We must be both socialist and capitalist to thrive. 😆
Some good examples of welfare working well are the Scandinavian countries. There is very little abuse, and people work hard and are productive so that welfare can be effectively provided.
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@spruce112358 saidWTF you talking about? We got all of that.
It's happening, thanks to the MAGA idiots! 😆
Socialism includes things like free equal justice for all, free education, taxation to support infrastructure, one person-one vote, and social safety nets to ensure that no one dies of hunger or exposure. Capitalism provides lots of nice things, but it doesn't provide *ANY* of these (as Abraham Lincoln famously observed.)
When Lincoln said it, it was true, but not now.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidNo, we don't have it. Not anymore. 😆
WTF you talking about? We got all of that.
When Lincoln said it, it was true, but not now.
Voting & justice have been completely corrupted by too much money such that truth and reason have completely vanished from those processes.
Infrastructure and education are being starved by too little money and much of that money is being funneled into a military that isn't at war.
Safety nets are being destroyed by making them "for profit" (e.g. healthcare) which ludicrously inflates prices.
The insane MAGA 'crusade' against socialism is destroying the foundations of America. America's capitalist ventures are built on and rely on a socialist foundation.
Capitalism doesn't produce "one person-one vote". It can't. Capitalism puts a price on everything so if you can't buy votes, that's anti-capitalist. And being anti-capitalist (i.e. socialist) is sometimes exactly right. 😆
None of this has anything to do with communism - that's a whole different system of communal ownership of businesses which we have never had or ever will have. 😆
@spruce112358 saidYou have a problem with greed, crime, dishonesty and laziness in the US. This is why your welfare system would not work out well, or will have difficulty reaching the intended recipients. Many people in the US are constantly looking for ways to cheat the system, to get stuff that is not theirs, to defraud the government, to steal from businesses. Its all about getting easy money.
No, we don't have it. Not anymore. 😆
Voting & justice have been completely corrupted by too much money such that truth and reason have completely vanished from those processes.
Infrastructure and education are being starved by too little money and much of that money is being funneled into a military that isn't at war.
Safety nets are being destroyed by making t ...[text shortened]... le different system of communal ownership of businesses which we have never had or ever will have. 😆
Check the figures .. in Europe there is far less crime than in the USA
@Rajk999 saidYour last sentence refers; ain't that the truth, why, even the US President is a convicted criminal, and what kind of message does this send to young Americans? 'Look, kids, you can lie, defraud, cheat, all kinds of nasty things, and still become President.'
You have a problem with greed, crime, dishonesty and laziness in the US. This is why your welfare system would not work out well, or will have difficulty reaching the intended recipients. Many people in the US are constantly looking for ways to cheat the system, to get stuff that is not theirs, to defraud the government, to steal from businesses. Its all about getting easy money.
Check the figures .. in Europe there is far less crime than in the USA
America isn't so much in moral decline, it appears rather to have fallen off a cliff.
As regards welfare (your earlier post refers) , the Scandinavian countries have a far more egalitarian mindset, this as opposed to the poisonous notion that 'Greed is good' which has infected America. A person's worth in America is it seems measured not by their actions, or abilities, but rather by how much money they have, and the 'Big Beautiful Bill' (is this serious politics?) will only serve to compound the felony.
@Indonesia-Phil saidOk, I kinda disagree with people looking at the President or any country leader for that matter allowing their standards to influence their own behaviour. There are good and bad leaders all over the world, and good leaders dont necessarily mean good people or vice versa. People are usually the product of their immediate neighbourhood & environment ie family, friends, schools etc. American has more than its fair share of run-down inner-city, slums with broken homes, single parent homes, children with no parents living with uncles, aunts, which are full of gangs and drugs. This is what has caused America to take a nosedive.
Your last sentence refers; ain't that the truth, why, even the US President is a convicted criminal, and what kind of message does this send to young Americans? 'Look, kids, you can lie, defraud, cheat, all kinds of nasty things, and still become President.'
America isn't so much in moral decline, it appears rather to have fallen off a cliff.
As regards welfare ( ...[text shortened]... ve, and the 'Big Beautiful Bill' (is this serious politics?) will only serve to compound the felony.
While you might be right about Scandinavia, I think that the homogenous population plays a big part, and they are only recently experimenting with immigration. About 30 years ago they were almost all of one stock, and that makes a difference.
The post that was quoted here has been removedBeside the horror of eugenics which you recommend, the size of the population has no relation to why we have poverty. We have poverty because wealthy people always want more. They are in direct competition with the middle class and the poor for money. There will never be enough for everyone else because as long as anyone else has anything the rich will want to take it away.