@AThousandYoung saidSo a man drops out of school and can only get a menial job, then he marries a girl who did likewise. They have 4 kids and are pretty much on the poverty line.
Beside the horror of eugenics which you recommend, the size of the population has no relation to why we have poverty. We have poverty because wealthy people always want more. They are in direct competition with the middle class and the poor for money. There will never be enough for everyone else because as long as anyone else has anything the rich will want to take it away.
How exactly does this thing you said work .. like how did the wealthy wanting more cause this poverty and how did the wealthy stop this couple from educating themselves or getting some skill where they can work in higher paid jobs. Further how do the wealthy take away what they have?
@Rajk999 saidThe man you describe doesn't have anything. He is a source of cheap labor who is producing another generation of the same. This is what the wealthy want.
So a man drops out of school and can only get a menial job, then he marries a girl who did likewise. They have 4 kids and are pretty much on the poverty line.
How exactly does this thing you said work .. like how did the wealthy wanting more cause this poverty and how did the wealthy stop this couple from educating themselves or getting some skill where they can work in higher paid jobs. Further how do the wealthy take away what they have?
how did the wealthy stop this couple from educating themselves
Education is extremely expensive!
@AThousandYoung saidThe man did not finish high school. Why .. is the important question.
The man you describe doesn't have anything. He is a source of cheap labor who is producing another generation of the same. This is what the wealthy want.how did the wealthy stop this couple from educating themselves
Education is extremely expensive!
The man did not progress to learn how to fix airconditoning units. Why?
It is not expensive to finish school and learn a trade.
How is that the fault of the wealthy?
@Rajk999 saidWhy do you assume he should have access to high school? You think rich people should pay taxes so the poor can go to school?
The man did not finish high school. Why .. is the important question.
The man did not progress to learn how to fix airconditoning units. Why?
It is not expensive to finish school and learn a trade.
How is that the fault of the wealthy?
The rich will take any funding for public education they can.
It is not expensive to finish school and learn a trade.
Who is going to put up the ~$8,000 and pay the rent for the 9 months the man is in school? The mom has to raise 4 kids.
Don't tell me she shouldn't have had those children. The rich want to cut any education and family planning access to the poor and they want people to have more children without raising their wages.
https://www.npr.org/2025/05/01/1248444378/trump-wants-americans-to-have-more-babies
https://time.com/7299514/bill-will-devastate-public-schools/
@Rajk999 saidLeaders are influential, though, don't you think, and certainly they create a framework of law and so on in which people have to live. Democracy works both ways, people perceive someone running for office as best representing their values, or at least representing that which they see as being in their best interests, and they will tend to vote for that person. Sure, there are good people everywhere, even under the most horrible regimes, and I'm sure there are many people in America who look at what is happening to their country and despair, but that's democracy for you.
Ok, I kinda disagree with people looking at the President or any country leader for that matter allowing their standards to influence their own behaviour. There are good and bad leaders all over the world, and good leaders dont necessarily mean good people or vice versa. People are usually the product of their immediate neighbourhood & environment ie family, friends, school ...[text shortened]... ith immigration. About 30 years ago they were almost all of one stock, and that makes a difference.
Immigration is a hugely complex issue, at times countries welcome those from other countries, and the melding of cultures can be a positive thing, but there's always a downside....
@AThousandYoung saidHigh School finishes at around 17 lets say, most teens get a small job and the ambitious ones continue doing something constructive. Some go off to university, some learn a skill, some do inhouse training, some join the army... there are lots of options. The problem arises when teens who have no income decide to have kids they cannot afford. Its their choice, and it has nothing to do with anyone else, rich or poor. Make bad decisions and there is a life of poverty awaiting. Nobody's fault but theirs.
Why do you assume he should have access to high school? You think rich people should pay taxes so the poor can go to school?
The rich will take any funding for public education they can.It is not expensive to finish school and learn a trade.
Who is going to put up the ~$8,000 and pay the rent for the 9 months the man is in school? The mom has ...[text shortened]... -wants-americans-to-have-more-babies
https://time.com/7299514/bill-will-devastate-public-schools/
@Indonesia-Phil saidI cannot see leaders being influential to the point where a citizen says "Trump is a crooked a$$, therefore Im going to be like him". If there is such a person then that person was crooked before, and Trump is just an excuse.
Leaders are influential, though, don't you think, and certainly they create a framework of law and so on in which people have to live. Democracy works both ways, people perceive someone running for office as best representing their values, or at least representing that which they see as being in their best interests, and they will tend to vote for that person. Sure, th ...[text shortened]... er countries, and the melding of cultures can be a positive thing, but there's always a downside....
Americans voted for Trump with the full knowledge of what he was going to do. They cant cry now. Some of the big issues that most Americans wanted fixing was this LGBTQ stuff, the DEI, the Woke business, men in womens sports, the rampant immigration. Some of it I agree with and some I dont care for. But not my business.
Overall Europeans are disillusioned with immigration. Cant blame them.
@AThousandYoung saidWe've made some mistakes in public schooling. First off, the primary focus MUST be in preparing citizenship in a democratic society. That should include the Constitution, American History, how and why citizens must vote, the obligations to protect the rights of others, why taxes are justified, and why Donald Trump should be put to death for insurrection. You know, the basics. 😆
Why do you assume he should have access to high school? You think rich people should pay taxes so the poor can go to school?
The rich will take any funding for public education they can.It is not expensive to finish school and learn a trade.
Who is going to put up the ~$8,000 and pay the rent for the 9 months the man is in school? The mom has ...[text shortened]... -wants-americans-to-have-more-babies
https://time.com/7299514/bill-will-devastate-public-schools/
That level of education HAS to be free because we can't expect people to live in a democratic society without knowing the rules and obligations. It should not be possible to graduate high school without passing a Constitutional test.
Second, an 18 year old is expected to be able to support himself as an adult, but with so much time spent on academic trivia like grammar and quadratic formulas and dissecting frogs, few have time to learn a trade [NB. this stuff is fine for the gifted heading for college; the rest don't need it].
The last two years of high school should be spent almost entirely in internships so that kids can start working the instant they graduate. 😆
The graduation ceremony should be the same countrywide: graduating seniors are taken to the nearest foreign border. There, they are asked one simple question: do you accept your responsibilities as adult US citizens, to help protect the rights of all other citizens equally and participate in US democracy by electing competent representatives? Anyone answering 'No' is no longer a US citizen from that moment. They can go live somewhere else. 😆
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@Rajk999 saidYeah, yeah, we know. You've been spewing this for years.
Abuse of welfare services is the problem in the US. There are some people who are happy to live off the state and do nothing to contribute.
Some good examples of welfare working well are the Scandinavian countries. There is very little abuse, and people work hard and are productive so that welfare can be effectively provided.
Black welfare bad, white welfare good. Psssshhh!
@Rajk999 said"I cannot see leaders being influential to the point where a citizen says "Trump is a crooked a$$, therefore Im going to be like him". If there is such a person then that person was crooked before, and Trump is just an excuse."
I cannot see leaders being influential to the point where a citizen says "Trump is a crooked a$$, therefore Im going to be like him". If there is such a person then that person was crooked before, and Trump is just an excuse.
Americans voted for Trump with the full knowledge of what he was going to do. They cant cry now. Some of the big issues that most Americans wanted ...[text shortened]... for. But not my business.
Overall Europeans are disillusioned with immigration. Cant blame them.
The lightbulb flickers, but it's far from "on". Welcome to the Trumpublican Party. Duhhh.
@Indonesia-Phil said"America isn't so much in moral decline, it appears rather to have fallen off a cliff."
Your last sentence refers; ain't that the truth, why, even the US President is a convicted criminal, and what kind of message does this send to young Americans? 'Look, kids, you can lie, defraud, cheat, all kinds of nasty things, and still become President.'
America isn't so much in moral decline, it appears rather to have fallen off a cliff.
As regards welfare ( ...[text shortened]... ve, and the 'Big Beautiful Bill' (is this serious politics?) will only serve to compound the felony.
This is called the Trump Effect.
@Suzianne saidFortunately, that's all over with. He 'finished' on 7/4 so he'll fuuk off and play golf for the next 3.5 years. 😆
"America isn't so much in moral decline, it appears rather to have fallen off a cliff."
This is called the Trump Effect.
@spruce112358 saidLet's hope so.
Fortunately, that's all over with. He 'finished' on 7/4 so he'll fuuk off and play golf for the next 3.5 years. 😆