14 Jan 07
Originally posted by Zahlanzinothing will
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070114/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
read it. if this doesn't get bush on trial for despotism and stupidity, then nothing will. he basically gave a raspberry and the finger to the congress and the american people.
You cannot try a President for stupidity; they are all despots; and egregious offenses against decency, truth, civil rights, and the American system of govrnment are all that anyone ever expected from this administration.
14 Jan 07
yes, but surely he cannot go around the congress. no matter that he is the commander in chief, he still is in a democratic country and the will of the people(congress) should come first. there must be ways in wich he can be stoped to send troops if the congress doesn't want him to.
14 Jan 07
Originally posted by ZahlanziCongress holds the checkbook. If they don't want troops in Iraq they can cut funding. That's how congress can stop him from sending more troops. The fact that they wil not do that does not make Bush a dictator. It make congress a collection of weasels. If they genuinely wanted to stop the war they would cut funding. This however, is not what they want. They want to have the issue, not do something about it.
yes, but surely he cannot go around the congress. no matter that he is the commander in chief, he still is in a democratic country and the will of the people(congress) should come first. there must be ways in wich he can be stoped to send troops if the congress doesn't want him to.
14 Jan 07
Originally posted by CliffLandinAmerica is a corrupt democracy. However it is better than most.
America - as in the United State - is not a democracy. It is a republic. Representative democracy.
The problems are the :
influence of lobby groups leading to stupid gun laws, arms industries out of control etc..
Overly Right wing influence of news corporations leading to idiotic beliefs in many areas, including jingoistic and nationalistic tendencies.
Excessive diet of popular left wing journalists and luvvies leading to political correctness.
Yet it is still the Coutry most people want to live in.
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14 Jan 07
Originally posted by CliffLandinI get a little confused when people say this.
America - as in the United State - is not a democracy. It is a republic. Representative democracy.
As far as I'm concerned countries that use reprentative democracy are democracies.
But why is this wrong?
15 Jan 07
Originally posted by Bad wolfAmerica is a representative republic. It has a democratic society so to speak. Majority rule and all that.
I get a little confused when people say this.
As far as I'm concerned countries that use reprentative democracy are democracies.
But why is this wrong?
A democracy or "pure democracy" its called, has no representatives. The people make the laws, they do not elect representatives to make laws.
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15 Jan 07
Originally posted by Merk"Direct democracy" is a better way to describe it I think.
America is a representative republic. It has a democratic society so to speak. Majority rule and all that.
A democracy or "pure democracy" its called, has no representatives. The people make the laws, they do not elect representatives to make laws.
Direct democracy wouldn't currently work in our societies anyway, populations are too big, not everyone cares, hard to organise, etc.
I just think it is silly to say that a country isn't a democracy because it uses representative democracy instead of direct democracy: they are still forms of democracy.
It isn't just purely representive though, there are things called referendums as well (you might call them propositions) that are used sometimes.
15 Jan 07
Originally posted by ZahlanziI am so glad we have Romania's view on the US president! Romania has been such a powerhouse example of international assistance for the world! Their experience is second to none, except maybe Togo. For a country that just begged their way into the EU, I don't think you have much room to cast stones!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070114/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
read it. if this doesn't get bush on trial for despotism and stupidity, then nothing will. he basically gave a raspberry and the finger to the congress and the american people.
When Romania & the UN do something about Darfur, then you can step up to bat!!
15 Jan 07
Originally posted by ZahlanziClean up Romania first then come talk to us.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070114/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
read it. if this doesn't get bush on trial for despotism and stupidity, then nothing will. he basically gave a raspberry and the finger to the congress and the american people.
15 Jan 07
Originally posted by Bad wolfIts not silly to say that a country isn't a democracy if its not a democracy.
"Direct democracy" is a better way to describe it I think.
Direct democracy wouldn't currently work in our societies anyway, populations are too big, not everyone cares, hard to organise, etc.
I just think it is silly to say that a country isn't a democracy because it uses representative democracy instead of direct democracy: they are still forms of dem ...[text shortened]... ings called referendums as well (you might call them propositions) that are used sometimes.
Direct democracy won't just work today, it didn't work in the past either. That's why nobody wants to go that way.
Democracy doesn't work because "the people" as a whole do what is best less often then elected representatives do. "The people are right" is a common fallacy subscribed to by those with populist tendencies.
15 Jan 07
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Originally posted by Dace Aceto all stupid americans who use the "romania is like togo" and "romania has problems so any romanians don't have the fundamental human rights because they are second rate humans" argument. start debating and stop using lame second grade excuses like "no,you're stupid ".
I am so glad we have Romania's view on the US president! Romania has been such a powerhouse example of international assistance for the world! Their experience is second to none, except maybe Togo. For a country that just begged their way into the EU, I don't think you have much room to cast stones!
When Romania & the UN do something about Darfur, then you can step up to bat!!
by stupid americans i mean those two who used such brilliant arguments to contradict me.
and on a side note, if Romania gets a stupid idiot of a president, nobody would care. however if an idiot gets to command the most powerful war machine in the world, then it is everybody's concern. so think a little before spamming.
15 Jan 07
now to the issue at hand. in his own words: bush said that no matter what the congress or the main parties or the american people say, it has already been decided to go ahead. decided by whom? since when does a president from a democratic country starts making decisions on his own?
15 Jan 07
Originally posted by ZahlanziRead up, my friend.
now to the issue at hand. in his own words: bush said that no matter what the congress or the main parties or the american people say, it has already been decided to go ahead. decided by whom? since when does a president from a democratic country starts making decisions on his own?
http://www.geocities.com/way_leroy/ProConVolTwoIssueOnePage5.html