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A lot of it can be directly atributed to these internet forums IMO.

Many Americans are finding out what the rest of the world thinks of us for the first time.
Many Americans see how much the help we do give is spit on and degraded.
Many Americans could care less if the rest of the world starves to death now.
Americans have traditionally been very giving .. people used to say "thank you", now it's .. "what? that's all?" you OWE ME more."

America is becoming increassingly isolationist .. and IMO, that's a good thing.

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Originally posted by jammer

Many Americans see how much the help we do give is spit on and degraded.
Do you think what the US is doing in Iraq right now is considered "help"?

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Originally posted by Esoteric
Do you think what the US is doing in Iraq right now is considered "help"?
Do you continue answering a 6 yr old after 27 straight "Why?"s?

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Originally posted by jammer
Do you continue answering a 6 yr old after 27 straight "Why?"s?
Do you continuously avoid the question?

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Originally posted by Esoteric
Do you continuously avoid the question?
What do you think would happen in Iraq if US and British troops all withdrew tomorrow?

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
http://www.defenselink.mil/home/dodupdate/Force_Good/index.html

"Every day the men and women of the U.S. military help others in humanitarian missions across the globe."

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Thanks for posting that Zeeb. The U.S. Is the premier humanitarian organization. All other are pretenders to the throne.

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Originally posted by Esoteric
Do you think what the US is doing in Iraq right now is considered "help"?
I would.

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Originally posted by Merk
Yes. We can be their sugardaddy. Other countries LOVE it when we're their sugardaddy. They never seem to gripe much over that.
I think that's the root of the problem. Americans assume that everybody wants a sugardaddy. And so they spread a lot of money around admittedly, but like any sugardaddy they expect a bit of poontang along with it, and when the humiliated object of their affection is no longer willing to be exploited America simply discards that companion the way you would any acquaintance that started to get troublesome. I mean when your relationship is only based on a mutual back scratching why wouldn't you drop your sugar babe when it became a bit difficult?

Now if she tried to be a parent and gave out her sugar responsibly, then America would have a lot of very healthy dependent children who would sing her praises and be well positioned to make a good return of America's investment. But America wouldn't want to meddle now would she, so, instead she rather exploits and plunders the resource she sugars and when the cavities develop she sends in the 'dentist' to perform 'surgical strikes' as her preferred solution.

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Originally posted by Merk
Thanks for posting that Zeeb. The U.S. Is the premier humanitarian organization. All other are pretenders to the throne.
That's because they try to destroy the competition 😛
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0110/27/smn.16.html

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Originally posted by jammer
A lot of it can be directly atributed to these internet forums IMO.

Many Americans are finding out what the rest of the world thinks of us for the first time.
Many Americans see how much the help we do give is spit on and degraded.
Many Americans could care less if the rest of the world starves to death now.
Americans have traditionally been very givin ...[text shortened]... ore."

America is becoming increassingly isolationist .. and IMO, that's a good thing.
Unfortunately isolationism is both good and bad; just like its current policy is both good and bad.

Unfortunately with Bush in charge it is more bad than good. To try and defend the Iraq war is as stupid as teaching creationalism.

Most of the anti americanism seen on these forums is a reaction to what is seen as arrogance. It is not backed up by serious research that has a very negative view of the US gov. but a realisation that Americans are themselves very generous.

Look at the massive disparity between Government overseas aid (apart from the Israeli billions) aid which is pitifully small to the individual donations which are excellent.

True generousity does not need gratitude. Ireland, the Balkans and Sudan have benefitted from areas of US intervention. China is being dragged into civilisation through its trade links with the US. Fortunately the US will not be able to shut its borders to the world.

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Originally posted by knightwest
What do you think would happen in Iraq if US and British troops all withdrew tomorrow?
Why are they in there in the 1st place?

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Originally posted by Merk
I would.
So between 50,000 to 600,000 dead (depending on who you believe), a civil war and 4 million refugees is helping is it?

What did they invade Iraq for? There were no ties with Al Qaeda, no WMD's, and was stable.

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Originally posted by kmax87
I think that's the root of the problem. Americans assume that everybody wants a sugardaddy. And so they spread a lot of money around admittedly, but like any sugardaddy they expect a bit of poontang along with it, and when the humiliated object of their affection is no longer willing to be exploited America simply discards that companion the way you would any elop she sends in the 'dentist' to perform 'surgical strikes' as her preferred solution.
Of course we expect something from them. If I give my loser buddy some money for rent, I expect him to not to gamble with the rent money.

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Originally posted by Merk
Of course we expect comething from them.
Freudian slips are priceless.

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Originally posted by Esoteric
So between 50,000 to 600,000 dead (depending on who you believe), a civil war and 4 million refugees is helping is it?

What did they invade Iraq for? There were no ties with Al Qaeda, no WMD's, and was stable.
The Iraqi people are getting their country back. Did we help Japan and Germany? A lot of them died too.

The entire list of reasons listed in the Iraq war authorization are only was only the public reasons. The only reason for invading Iraq is to form a democratic, secular, moderate government.

While I will whole heartedly agree that Iraq was not what should have been done, I cannot see a better way to reform the lack of separation between church and state than through secular governments. The best I can tell, anytime the church or a religion can raise an army or simply call its people to arms, its going to be trouble. History has shown that clearly to be the case. Secondly, moderate governments will feed anti-western ideals less than some of the others in the region.

Yes, Dubya took the wrong step when he invaded Iraq. If invading a country had to be done, he picked the wrong one because it was already secular. I do still believe however, that within a decade we will be looking at the premier Arab nation.

After the American civil war, it took about 20 years and we were already on our way to empire. I think in 20 years, Iraq will be at least on par with Israel as a regional superpower. (economically at least) They're paying a heavy price for sure, but their children will see prosperity that the current generation of Iraqis didn't have a chance in hell at.