13 Jun 08
Guantanamo bay victims will have the right to a civil trial, rather than the kangaroo miltary trials favoured by Shrub.
Thankfully, the democrats now control the senate, to end the tyranny of Bush:
"On the previous two occasions, the administration and the Republican-controlled Congress changed the law to strip the detainees of their right to habeas corpus."
It looks like the base might close soon:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/13/guantanamo.georgebush
The sooner this abject moron is out of the white house, the better for the whole world.
13 Jun 08
Originally posted by howardgeeI know! Isn't it great? 😀
Guantanamo bay victims will have the right to a civil trial, rather than the kangaroo miltary trials favoured by Shrub.
Thankfully, the democrats now control the senate, to end the tyranny of Bush:
"On the previous two occasions, the administration and the Republican-controlled Congress changed the law to strip the detainees of their right to habeas co ...[text shortened]... ush
The sooner this abject moron is out of the white house, the better for the whole world.
13 Jun 08
Originally posted by howardgeeOnce again Howie, you got it wrong: The Supreme Court didn't trump President Bush, it trumped the Legislative and Executive branches, which is bad news for everyone. My only hope is that the residents of GITMO get released and take up residence next door to you. Who knows, they might even have a "work-related accident."
Guantanamo bay victims will have the right to a civil trial, rather than the kangaroo miltary trials favoured by Shrub.
Thankfully, the democrats now control the senate, to end the tyranny of Bush:
"On the previous two occasions, the administration and the Republican-controlled Congress changed the law to strip the detainees of their right to habeas co ...[text shortened]... ush
The sooner this abject moron is out of the white house, the better for the whole world.
13 Jun 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterUnless I'm mistaken, Bush is the leader of the executive branch.
Once again Howie, you got it wrong: The Supreme Court didn't trump President Bush, it trumped the Legislative and Executive branches, which is bad news for everyone. My only hope is that the residents of GITMO get released and take up residence next door to you. Who knows, they might even have a "work-related accident."
13 Jun 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterRumsfeld was the one who suggested the idea of a super-prison in November of '01. He gave the call to construct the prison on Jan. 9, 2002. He presided over the prisoner transports.
He didn't write the rules governing the terrorists held at GITMO, our Congress did, twice.
13 Jun 08
Originally posted by scherzoIt's still judicial overreach. The Judicial branch has no business overseeing military matters. There's no precedent for it because there's no provision for it in the Constitution. Air Force Col. Morris Davis, the former chief military prosecutor at Guantanamo who resigned in October, said, "I believe the drafters of the Constitution would be turning over in their graves to find out that people intent on destroying our society have constitutional rights."
Rumsfeld was the one who suggested the idea of a super-prison in November of '01. He gave the call to construct the prison on Jan. 9, 2002. He presided over the prisoner transports.
13 Jun 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThey aren't destroying our country. I believe that it was in the Obama thread that I mentioned the Tipton Three, which are representative examples of prisoners at Guantanamo. And they don't have constitutional rights. The prison was built in Cuba so the Constitution didn't have to apply to prisoners.
It's still judicial overreach. The Judicial branch has no business overseeing military matters. There's no precedent for it because there's no provision for it in the Constitution. Air Force Col. Morris Davis, the former chief military prosecutor at Guantanamo who resigned in October, said, "I believe the drafters of the Constitution would be tur ...[text shortened]... raves to find out that people intent on destroying our society have constitutional rights."
Everything that I comment about on these threads are based on things that I do know a lot about, btw.
13 Jun 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterColonel Davis is incredibly ignorant of the Framer's mindsets to think that they would believe that anyone didn't have rights.
It's still judicial overreach. The Judicial branch has no business overseeing military matters. There's no precedent for it because there's no provision for it in the Constitution. Air Force Col. Morris Davis, the former chief military prosecutor at Guantanamo who resigned in October, said, "I believe the drafters of the Constitution would be tur ...[text shortened]... raves to find out that people intent on destroying our society have constitutional rights."
13 Jun 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterMore likely, they'd be turning over in their graves knowing that the Constitution's provision against "cruel and unusual punishment" was being circumvented dishonestly based on prisoners being held outside the US. St. Thomas More once said that he'd give even the devil benefit of law, for his own safety's sake.
It's still judicial overreach. The Judicial branch has no business overseeing military matters. There's no precedent for it because there's no provision for it in the Constitution. Air Force Col. Morris Davis, the former chief military prosecutor at Guantanamo who resigned in October, said, "I believe the drafters of the Constitution would be tur ...[text shortened]... raves to find out that people intent on destroying our society have constitutional rights."
13 Jun 08
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Originally posted by FabianFnasYou mean like when the US imprisoned Japanese US citizens during World War 2? Just pick a war and we can come up with human rights abuses for every country inolved in the conflict. There is nothing spectacularly special about this particular case.
Guantanamo will be a dark spot in the US history. US reputation is stained.
Free world... Greatest democracy...
I know, I know, this is really about attacking "W" . After all, he is the antichrist, no?
As for McCain who has been charged as being the second "W" and a continuation of his policies, I think he opposes the current position of the president on this issue.