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Fascists on the left is an incoherent statement. The fascists are authoritarian, nationalist, and right wing.
fas·cism noun \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government
: very harsh control or authority
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Originally posted by EladarThe Oxford online dictionary gives a different definition:
[b]Fascists on the left is an incoherent statement. The fascists are authoritarian, nationalist, and right wing.
fas·cism noun \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government
: very harsh control or authority
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism[/b]
Definition of fascism in English:Bold type is my emphasis.
noun
[mass noun]
1An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
Example sentences Synonyms
1.1(In general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices: this is yet another example of health fascism in action
More example sentences
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43); the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach
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Originally posted by DeepThought
What is the real economy? This is one of those phrases I've heard and accepted without really questioning it. Intuitively it involves the production of commodities, but where are the boundaries? My feeling is that it's a term used for political ends to exclude whatever is being disapproved of by the speaker. While the derivatives market may not have ...[text shortened]... s are insufficient to compensate for the wealth locked up? And am I asking the right questions?
Due to the growing importance of the financial sector in modern times, the term real economy is used by analysts as well as politicians to denote the part of the economy that is concerned with actually producing goods and services, as ostensibly contrasted with the paper economy, or the financial side of the economy, which is concerned with buying and selling on the financial markets.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy#Economic_phases_of_precedence
This is my sense of the term "real economy," in which I distinguish between those who do useful stuff and those who are parasitic speculators. It is a phrase widely used with that sort of sense. Whether it stands up to microscopic academic scrutiny or not, it has a clear enough meaning in political discussion. It helps to consider that the value of transactions in the world's financial markets bears no relation to the intrinsic value of goods and services being traded around the globe. Most financial transactions are speculative - in other words, whizz kids gambling with our money without risk to themselves but at increasingly extreme risk to the real economy, as demonstrated in 2008 and likely to be repeated soon enough. You know the real economy is screwed because jobs have been vanishing, poverty escalating.
Originally posted by finnegan"Intrinsic value"
[quote]Due to the growing importance of the financial sector in modern times, the term real economy is used by analysts as well as politicians to denote the part of the economy that is concerned with actually producing goods and services, as ostensibly contrasted with the paper economy, or the financial side of the economy, which is concerned with buying an ...[text shortened]... ough. You know the real economy is screwed because jobs have been vanishing, poverty escalating.
What does it mean, generally it means those using the term want to assign a value to something on behalf of others whether they like it or not. For something to have value it needs a valuer, nothing has a magical 'intrinsic' value absent a valuer.
Is a used car trader a 'parasitical speculator'?
Originally posted by WajomaTrading in used cars would fit my concept of the real economy.
"Intrinsic value"
What does it mean, generally it means those using the term want to assign a value to something on behalf of others whether they like it or not. For something to have value it needs a valuer, nothing has a magical 'intrinsic' value absent a valuer.
Is a used car trader a 'parasitical speculator'?
Generally, you are wrong. I only quoted Wiki to demonstrate that I am not eccentric or unusual in my use of the term. You may dislike the term and quibble away to your heart's content. As always, you appear to have the notion that language is a game you can play by your own rules. There is a quote from Alice in Wonderland that comes to mind but that would intrude on a space reserved by another contributor.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtBold type is my emphasis.[/b]What would you call the left wing version of Facism?
The Oxford online dictionary gives a different definition:Definition of fascism in English:system of government and social organization.
noun
[mass noun]
1An authoritarian and nationalistic [b]right-wing
Example sentences Synonyms
1.1(In general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices: this is yet ...[text shortened]... obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach
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Originally posted by EladarWell there are a number of differences, but if you want a generalised term to throw at leftists which describes the authoritarian left Stalinist will do. Maoist if you want a bit of variety. If you want some real sophistication precede whichever term you use with the word unreconstructed.
What would you call the left wing version of Facism?
Originally posted by DeepThoughtThere you go. If you want to know what a person means when he says a leftist facist, it means a Stalinist.
Well there are a number of differences, but if you want a generalised term to throw at leftists which describes the authoritarian left Stalinist will do. Maoist if you want a bit of variety. If you want some real sophistication precede whichever term you use with the word unreconstructed.
We have plenty of those in this forum.
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Originally posted by finneganIf we can wade past the 75% snark perhaps you'd like to explain (without consulting wikihow,com or about.com) what is the difference between the intrinsic value of goods and services that you mention and the actual value of those goods and services to those trading in them.
Trading in used cars would fit my concept of the real economy.
Generally, you are wrong. I only quoted Wiki to demonstrate that I am not eccentric or unusual in my use of the term. You may dislike the term and quibble away to your heart's content. As always, you appear to have the notion that language is a game you can play by your own rules. There is ...[text shortened]... Wonderland that comes to mind but that would intrude on a space reserved by another contributor.
Then we'll see what games and who is playing them.
Originally posted by normbenignIf trade you my chicken for your bag of corn, then
Economically productive involves voluntary trading of goods and services. If a good/service is valued by its consumer, and traded for voluntarily, it is productive.
later on I trade you the corn for the chicken.
We have been "economically productive" twice!!!