Originally posted by DeepThoughtThe classical term liberal means the opposite of authoritarian.
Fascists on the left is an incoherent statement. The fascists are authoritarian, nationalist, and right wing. No one, or at least no one sensible, is claiming that everyone on the right is a fascist. Not even everyone on the right who is authoritarian is fascist, it's a specific thing. Similarly there are authoritarians on the left, we normally refer ...[text shortened]... l freedom is a good thing). Attempting to identify the left with Fascism is just poor rhetoric.
However, Obama calls himself liberal in a government that spews around 40,000 new laws and regulations a year. These same "liberals" outlaw biggie sodas. So I guess you would agree that Obama and the US federal government are run by fascists then?
Originally posted by Wajoma"Snark" is your preferred habitat.
If we can wade past the 75% snark perhaps you'd like to explain (without consulting wikihow,com or about.com) what is the difference between the intrinsic value of goods and services that you mention and the actual value of those goods and services to those trading in them.
Then we'll see what games and who is playing them.
Intrinsic value and actual value - no I cannot think up a difference. You have adopted the latter as an alternative to the former. How do you explain your (not mine) distinction here?
My use of these terms is perfectly conventional. Your effort to find a useful quibble is unimpressive.
Also, my references to third party authorities including Wiki is a well established way of anchoring my "opinion" in something more substantial. Indeed it helps me to ensure I am not making a blunder, which happens. You appear to have the idea that we must each work out everything unaided, by our own effort. That is silly. Learning is a collective social project and we see further when we stand on the shoulders of giants, as Newton observed so well.
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Originally posted by finneganI gave my explanation already:
"Snark" is your preferred habitat.
Intrinsic value and actual value - no I cannot think up a difference. You have adopted the latter as an alternative to the former. How do you explain your (not mine) distinction here?
My use of these terms is perfectly conventional. Your effort to find a useful quibble is unimpressive.
Also, my references to t ...[text shortened]... project and we see further when we stand on the shoulders of giants, as Newton observed so well.
"Those that use the term wish to assign a value for something on behalf of others whether they like it or not'
Your response was:
"Generally you are wrong...as always, you appear to have the notion that language is a game you can play by your own rules."
I called you on it, invited you to explain your distinction, unable to respond you now want me to explain my distinction again?
At least it's cleared up now, you were using big words you didn't know the meaning of, probably to fluff out your post and appear 'intellectual'.
No bother, let's move on.
You have previously cited wikihow.com and about.com as references, let's visit these 'giants' now: (Verbatim)
wikihow: "How not to gossip", "How to think", "How to fax", "How to Beat Vaati in the Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap"
about.com: "Ready your house in just 10 minutes", "How to organize your closet in just 30 minutes" (A house takes 10 mins, a closet takes 30?) "The 3 colors your poop should never be".
"Substantial" sources indeed.
Time to put the bib on and eat some crow Finnegan.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungSo more cabbages means we are richer?
True economic productivity is measured in the increase of wealth (not money but physical objects of value).
Farming, manufacturing, mining, road building, home improvement etc.
I'd be happier with the same number of cabbages but more time.
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Originally posted by wolfgang59Your scenario was open, with many details missing, I concede that if the trade is occasional and private between two individuals then the trade would be relatively free and busybody regulatory bureaurats and IRD little hitlers may be avoided.
How and why?
...but, if you make a habit of such transactions you will need to become GST registered and each transaction will be punished to the tune of 12.5%.
If your chicken is dead and to be consumed there will be regulations to conform to. One poster here, no1marauder, would like to see a compulsory country of origin label applied. Plus a bunch of regs about how the thing was killed and handled.
Let's look at another possibility: You trade your chicken to a Veterinary surgeon because you've damaged it, perhaps through 'unnatural loving'. The Vet adds value to the chicken by patching it up, this would now become income and again subject to IRD scrutiny.
In this way the guvamint dissuades people from mutually beneficial value for value transactions
Edit: can't answer the 'why'...because they're power mad control freaks?
Originally posted by WajomaYes my imaginary scenario should have included their cash flow, P&L, asset account and inside leg measurements.
Your scenario was open, with many details missing, ?
Its news to me that the IRD are involved with food labelling.
The gentlemen in my scenario are not GST registered. Why would you think that?
Originally posted by wolfgang59They will have to be if it is more than an occasional transaction. They will then need to assign a dollar value even if there are no dollars exchanged, this number will need to be entered into a GST invoice.
Yes my imaginary scenario should have included their cash flow, P&L, asset account and inside leg measurements.
Its news to me that the IRD are involved with food labelling.
The gentlemen in my scenario are not GST registered. Why would you think that?
Involvement by other buratcracies is just par for the course, it's in your 'social contract' didn't you know.
Unless you're an advocate for tax evasion (I am)
Originally posted by WajomaFraud
They will have to be if it is more than an occasional transaction. They will then need to assign a dollar value even if there are no dollars exchanged, this number will need to be entered into a GST invoice.
Involvement by other buratcracies is just par for the course, it's in your 'social contract' didn't you know.
Unless you're an advocate for tax evasion (I am)