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  1. Standard membervivify
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  2. Standard membervivify
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-46425950

    A female member of Australia's Parliament is protesting a rule preventing her from sleeveless outfits showing her bare arms or shoulders. This has been called sexist by her supporters on social media.

    This rule also applies to men. Is this really sexist?
  3. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @vivify
    It might be a silly, ambiguous rule but I do not see how it is sexist.
    The rule is there for all.
    I'm sure some Aussie blokes would like to turn up in muscle Ts!
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    @vivify said
    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-46425950

    A female member of Australia's Parliament is protesting a rule preventing her from sleeveless outfits showing her bare arms or shoulders. This has been called sexist by her supporters on social media.

    This rule also applies to men. Is this really sexist?
    Well, if it applies to men and women... uh, it can’t really be sexist...
  5. Standard memberDeepThought
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    @shavixmir said
    Well, if it applies to men and women... uh, it can’t really be sexist...
    I don't have a really strong opinion about this, but I suppose one could argue that more women's clothing is sleeveless and so a "must be sleeved" rule effectively discriminates against women.
  6. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @deepthought said
    I don't have a really strong opinion about this, but I suppose one could argue that more women's clothing is sleeveless and so a "must be sleeved" rule effectively discriminates against women.
    But women's clothing is more often sleeveless due to a sexist society.
    Forbidding sleeveless tops is protecting women from the fashion nazis.
    But seriously.
    A ban on bras would be sexist.
    A ban on skirts would not.
    Anyone who misses that difference is a dinosaur.
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    04 Dec '18 19:53
    @deepthought said
    I don't have a really strong opinion about this, but I suppose one could argue that more women's clothing is sleeveless and so a "must be sleeved" rule effectively discriminates against women.
    Even in a truly non-sexist culture, there would be some differences in men's clothes
    and women's clothes because men and women have different body shapes.
  8. Standard memberDeepThought
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    @wolfgang59 said
    But women's clothing is more often sleeveless due to a sexist society.
    Forbidding sleeveless tops is protecting women from the fashion nazis.
    But seriously.
    A ban on bras would be sexist.
    A ban on skirts would not.
    Anyone who misses that difference is a dinosaur.
    So women must be inconvenienced to avoid sexism?
  9. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @deepthought said
    So women must be inconvenienced to avoid sexism?
    It is your prerogative to come to stupid illogical conclusions.
    But please don't use question marks unless you are asking a question.
  10. Zugzwang
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    @wolfgang59 said
    But women's clothing is more often sleeveless due to a sexist society.
    Forbidding sleeveless tops is protecting women from the fashion nazis.
    But seriously.
    A ban on bras would be sexist.
    A ban on skirts would not.
    Anyone who misses that difference is a dinosaur.
    "A ban on skirts would not."
    --Wolfgang59

    But the overwhelming majority of skirts are clothes for women, not for men.
    So a ban on skirts would affect women much more than it would affect men.
    Likewise, a ban on trousers would affect men more than it would affect women.
  11. Standard memberDeepThought
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    @duchess64 said
    "A ban on skirts would not."
    --Wolfgang59

    But the overwhelming majority of skirts are clothes for women, not for men.
    So a ban on skirts would affect women much more than it would affect men.
    Likewise, a ban on trousers would affect men more than it would affect women.
    A ban on trousers in the Australian Parliament would definitely have more comedy value than one on skirts.
  12. Standard memberDeepThought
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    @wolfgang59 said
    It is your prerogative to come to stupid illogical conclusions.
    But please don't use question marks unless you are asking a question.
    It was a rhetorical question, so the question mark was a syntactic necessity.
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    @deepthought said
    A ban on trousers in the Australian Parliament would definitely have more comedy value than one on skirts.
    Agreed. Someone would do something just to make the point. 😀

    Seriously, why do women have to worry about dress codes anyway? In the corporate world here the norm is a businesslike jacket-skirt or jacket-pants combination looking very much like what corporate men wear. The Parliament is not a place for nose-rings, see-through tops or budgie smugglers, it's a workplace.
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    Dressing formally or semi-formally is good because it shows you care about looking professional.

    I understand how different occupations have different standards...

    But if you are literally the elected representative of hundreds of thousands or millions of people, and you are there to represent their interests when deciding policies that affect the course of the nation, you need to look like it's an important day every single time you go out there.

    It's about showing respect to your constituents by respecting the gravitas of the office and the position.
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    @duchess64 said
    Even in a truly non-sexist culture, there would be some differences in men's clothes
    and women's clothes because men and women have different body shapes.
    And even then, that difference would be called sexist and men would be blamed for it.
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