Originally posted by sh76
....Providing healthcare and education for all may be a good idea, but no natural rights theory can posit that everyone had the right to force society to provide free healthcare and education for him.
I think natural rights theory is a grand idea if you are living out on your own without need of civilization. Once you live among great numbers of people, then civilized values and norms to some extent limit your natural rights. You can debate the degree to which those limits should impinge your rights, but you will have to acknowledge that you have to give up some of your rights to benefit from the commons that is societies combined, wealth, knowledge and social values.
Once you agree to live in a society, you also must agree that the health of the society has priority and rights. This is why we have political parties and political/ideological movements because the argument over which rights should be limited is not universally agreed upon.
Having universal healthcare as a right, some would argue, guarantees a society that is more cohesive, one in which the desperation of being poor, does not lead to criminal activity which has greater impact on those affected than any amount of money in taxes they may be levied to support a universal right health system. Same applies to welfare and low income housing. Other than government being in your pocket as you would have, the benefits to a society that has these social safety nets in place is invaluable.
But if absolute freedoms and absolute natural rights are all you would argue, then how is America ever to evolve beyond the wild west at its fringes? How is it ever to avoid the gated communities and preoccupation with security the way they had to in apartheid South Africa.
All your natural rights theory falls down when you see what it actually emboldens and strengthens. The rights of corporations to run roughshod over people and natural resources. That's what.