10 Feb 21
Figured it was a great idea, to close, send ‘em all packin’. Overload the solar world, watch wages drop.
Here is a question I have here for all of you. The pipeline is very clean and efficient in the way of environmental concerns. I guess they will find a way to get the oil on the back of trucks. I will be sure to keep my family from following one of those trucks
10 Feb 21
@AverageJoe1
You refuse to see the end of fossil fuels for transportation. In another 40 or so years there will be no more gas engine cars ALLOWED on the road and they will ALL be run by batteries or hydrogen power and electricity coming from fusion plants, wind, solar, wave power and even nuclear fission but coal burning or oil for electricity, GONE.
You cannot wrap your head around that.
10 Feb 21
@AverageJoe1
Keystone XL is more symbolic than anything. It takes like 12 full time employees to maintain the whole thing once built. And since it's been argued over for a decade or more it's already basically obsolete. Tar sands oil extraction is not even profitable at current oil prices.
11 Feb 21
@sonhouse saidTHere are some people smarter than us that don't quite see it that way. Just google pro/con, I aint much of a linker.
@AverageJoe1
You refuse to see the end of fossil fuels for transportation. In another 40 or so years there will be no more gas engine cars ALLOWED on the road and they will ALL be run by batteries or hydrogen power and electricity coming from fusion plants, wind, solar, wave power and even nuclear fission but coal burning or oil for electricity, GONE.
You cannot wrap your head around that.
And I note that most libs write about stuff like this and mention not a word about the sadness of jobs lost, hungry children ,, ruined lives. Not convenient, is it? Doesn't fit in with the libs plans to reform a 250 year old country? I thought the libs really hate collateral damage and all those pesky considerations.
Oops, my granny just said to quit confusing the libs
11 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidThe pipeline traverses Native American ancestral burial grounds.
Figured it was a great idea, to close, send ‘em all packin’. Overload the solar world, watch wages drop.
Here is a question I have here for all of you. The pipeline is very clean and efficient in the way of environmental concerns. I guess they will find a way to get the oil on the back of trucks. I will be sure to keep my family from following one of those trucks
It never should have been laid where it is. It crosses the only source of water for this tribe. The environmental research was rushed to push the pipeline through. It never should have been allowed to go through in the first place.
11 Feb 21
@suzianne saidOh bull before they put the pipeline down the government went to every frickin tribe and spelled out where they were going and diverted around any happy hunting grounds it if the tribes had any objections.
The pipeline traverses Native American ancestral burial grounds.
It never should have been laid where it is. It crosses the only source of water for this tribe. The environmental research was rushed to push the pipeline through. It never should have been allowed to go through in the first place.
AFTER they got permission THEN suddenly a bunch of magic shamans or whatever decided that by golly the pipe was infringing on some sacred plot of dirt and they started protesting hoping to get more money.
And nobody's water has been cut off.
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@sonhouse saidOr...we could just dispense with destroying every ecosystem on the g&dd&%n planet by covering them with low energy density "green energy" you mention and go 100% nuclear.
@AverageJoe1
You refuse to see the end of fossil fuels for transportation. In another 40 or so years there will be no more gas engine cars ALLOWED on the road and they will ALL be run by batteries or hydrogen power and electricity coming from fusion plants, wind, solar, wave power and even nuclear fission but coal burning or oil for electricity, GONE.
You cannot wrap your head around that.
11 Feb 21
@wildgrass saidthis mornings news puts the number at 11,550. Don't shoot the messenger.
@AverageJoe1
what jobs?
11 Feb 21
@suzianne saidI hate it about the ancestral grounds, etc. You know, if there are 21 in a 20 person lifeboat,,we would necessarily draw straws, to have to let one adrift, or, we will all sink. So where you gonna run the line. If you take your point to its logical conclusion, the Indians were here first, and we should not touch their stuff. (oops don't get me started on getting other people's stuff!!)
The pipeline traverses Native American ancestral burial grounds.
It never should have been laid where it is. It crosses the only source of water for this tribe. The environmental research was rushed to push the pipeline through. It never should have been allowed to go through in the first place.
I think you are saying that we need to put the line where EVERBODY is happy. What if they want to put it straight thru my home footprint? Should they go around , forgetting money and time?
This may sound crass, but the govt is going to have to exercise eminent domain, which is done every day. Like, the things that they have done to give you a convenient road to work everyday. Geez
11 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidNo need for the lifeboat game, the govt got permission from every tribe and tribal council or Big Chief or whatever for the pipeline placement and they diverted it around any place the various tribes objected to having it.
I hate it about the ancestral grounds, etc. You know, if there are 21 in a 20 person lifeboat,,we would necessarily draw straws, to have to let one adrift, or, we will all sink. So where you gonna run the line. If you take your point to its logical conclusion, the Indians were here first, and we should not touch their stuff. (oops don't get me started on getting other ...[text shortened]... ery day. Like, the things that they have done to give you a convenient road to work everyday. Geez
11 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidI didn't see that. Was that projected future hiring or existing jobs? What seemed more accurate was the ~1,000 temporary construction jobs. Temp jobs are still jobs, but they are temporary meaning they'll need another job next year anyway and that fact gets lost in the shuffle here. Only a few dozen jobs will be permanent. Compared to the overall number of unemployed Americans (>10 million) it seems like a lot of time is wasted on this drop in the bucket.
this mornings news puts the number at 11,550. Don't shoot the messenger.