@AverageJoe1 saidLet’s check to see if any of these are accurate. Begin with #1:
Looks like you are going to have a long Saturday. There are 8 here. After you settle on them, I will send you the plagiarisms. Do you have ANY idea how many people he plagiarized over the last 50 years? We are talking STEALING here (taking property of another without permission or right). More later.
LIES!!! LIES,, I tell you!
He said in 2008, a helicopter he w ...[text shortened]... the time he reached the million-miles-flown mark. In fact, she had died more than five years prior.”
Copter carrying Sens. Kerry, Biden, Hagel forced down by storm in Afghanistan
Associated Press
PUBLISHED: February 22, 2008 at 12:00 a.m.
WASHINGTON – A helicopter carrying three senior U.S. senators made an emergency landing Thursday in the mountains of Afghanistan because of a snowstorm.“
https://www.dailynews.com/2008/02/22/copter-carrying-sens-kerry-biden-hagel-forced-down-by-storm-in-afghanistan/amp/
AverageJoe, it seems you are mistaken. Re-order your list and try to produce ONE ACTUAL lie Biden has told.
Otherwise you will have to retract every single time you accused Biden of lying.
@AverageJoe1 yoe joe, recommend you chng ur name to traitorjoe, sloejoe, or some other more descriptive "dunnoe-sed-joe" monicker ?
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@spruce112358 saidBut Joe was implying he was forced down because of enemy fire, not landing to avoid some weather.
Let’s check to see if any of these are accurate. Begin with #1:
Copter carrying Sens. Kerry, Biden, Hagel forced down by storm in Afghanistan
Associated Press
PUBLISHED: February 22, 2008 at 12:00 a.m.
WASHINGTON – A helicopter carrying three senior U.S. senators made an emergency landing Thursday in the mountains of Afghanistan because of a snowstorm.“
...[text shortened]... Biden has told.
Otherwise you will have to retract every single time you accused Biden of lying.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidYou are free to post that quote. Here is what I found:
But Joe was implying he was forced down because of enemy fire, not landing to avoid some weather.
“If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me,” Biden said. “Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.”
So no lie in his statement.
I have made a very bold assertion, that JOE BIDEN HAS NEVER LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!
This is exactly the opposite of what you and AvJoe have been endlessly repeating. Can you back up your position with at least one unequivocal example?
Or do I win the whole hand? 😀
@Cliff-Mashburn saidLying is an intentional misstatement of the facts, which is different from jumbling up details of events. Many eye-witnesses remember the same event differently, especially when trying to recall from a long time ago.
We "Think" Biden lies?
Right there for all to see, every time he speaks:
"God's truth......my word as a Biden"...then he tells this retarded child-like story that never happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj2VgYJr7FE&t=60s
However, everyone seems to agree that Biden was mistaken in his narrative, although not in the overall tone of what he tried to convey.
I never said Biden never made mistakes (or had perfect recall.) We all make mistakes and sometimes recall things differently.
I said he doesn't lie. This is not lying.
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He could open a shop named TraitorJoe and sell his NFT cards and Trump approved bibles and LOTS of shoes🙂
If he does I hope he gets sued by TraderJoe for taking that name🙂
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He didn't say anything to imply he was downed by enemy fire, he SAID we were forced to land. That is ALL he said. YOU are the one putting words into his mouth.
@sonhouse saidYou should teach a class on how to respond to a post!!!!!
@Cliff-Mashburn
Lies in quotations. Right. What do YOU call it when he says ingest bleach, it kills covid in minutes? Or 'it will all be over by Easter.
"I am not ALLOWED to testify because of the gag order"
Biden is the one ordering me to be indicted.
The judge is conflicted.
ALL legal scholars wanted and in fact DEMANDED Roe V Wade be overturned.
Democrats executes ...[text shortened]... t of her best friend, Mary is a drug addict, which was a bold face lie and he was laughing about it.
@spruce112358 saidI Detect a bit of backstepping. Setting aside all of SHous's posts about our previous president (Trump), as this is a Biden issue, I can only say I copied that from Washington Examiner, and will now send you some folks who study this a lot more than I do on the golf course to settle this argument.
Lying is an intentional misstatement of the facts, which is different from jumbling up details of events. Many eye-witnesses remember the same event differently, especially when trying to recall from a long time ago.
However, everyone seems to agree that Biden was mistaken in his narrative, although not in the overall tone of what he tried to convey.
I never said B ...[text shortened]... make mistakes and sometimes recall things differently.
I said he doesn't lie. This is not lying.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6352707020112
I'm killing you here, Spruce (Not killing SHouse, he is off on some tangent).
The Plagiarisms are much more fun to read. Absolutely unbelievable to a lecturer on ethics (and grader!!)
Try to convince us that he did not do all of this. I picture Barney Fyfe in his ealier screeching years.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/2588844/seventeen-times-biden-lied-plagiarized-and-exaggerated/
@AverageJoe1 saidOK - same as before. I'll do the first one, and if there is no lie, we have to assume the rest is bullish**. YOU decided the order, not me. I'm just processing them - but I'm not going to waste my time, either. So here we go:
I'm killing you here, Spruce (Not killing SHouse, he is off on some tangent).
The Plagiarisms are much more fun to read. Absolutely unbelievable to a lecturer on ethics (and grader!!)
Try to convince us that he did not do all of this. I picture Barney Fyfe in his ealier screeching years.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/2588844/seventeen-times-biden-lied-plagiarized-and-exaggerated/
1. Going all the way back to 1965, when he was a Syracuse University College of Law student, Biden lifted five pages of a law review for a legal report. “I was wrong, but I was not malevolent in any way,” he said when caught.
That's not a lie to the American people (remember that little detail?) Second, did Biden intentionally try to pass off someone else's work as his own to a professor at Syracuse? Or did he "... simply misunderstood the need to cite sources carefully"?
You are actually dying here, AvJoe! Pretty horribly.
OK one more, just for fun.
2. In 1987, he was forced out of the presidential race when he was caught stealing lines of British politician Neil Kinnock’s speeches. Maybe worse, he also mimicked some of Kinnock’s mannerisms in a style a reporter at the time called “creepy.” Political author Richard Ben Cramer said Biden knew what he was doing and even had a video of Kinnock to study.
Well, this has been dealt with. The only time Biden forgot to credit Kinnock was during a debate when he was pressed for time. He admitted and joked about this later with Kinnock himself. It's not a lie if it is unintentional - which is proven by all the times he DID credit Kinnock.
AveJoe, you cannot show a SINGLE convincing example of Biden lying.
You are going to have to retract ALL your accusations of lying. Wow. That's a huge defeat for you. 😀
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He didn't "steal lines from a Kinnock speech"...he took a story told by Kinnock about his life and made it his, claiming it happened to him.
You always try to make excuses and mitigate whatever Biden does and play it off like it's no big deal, while simultaneously you amplify whatever Trump does and act like it's the end of the world.
Why?.
Biden's machinations are the sign of a sick mind, and he's done it all his life. He has never been right in the head.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidYes. After a lifetime of meeting military personnel in various contexts, Biden mixed up three separate incidents all of which DID happen, in order to present a narrative highlighting the heroism of American soldiers.
He wasn't "mistaken in his narrative">
IT NEVER HAPPENED.
Biden never pinned a Silver Star on a Navy Captain, and no Navy O-6 would grit his teeth and say he didn't want the decoration the way Biden claims. Stupid childish lie to make up.
A story may not be exactly accurate in every detail, but it's wrong to call it a lie if it conveys a broader truth: American soldiers have certainly shown heroism. That's no lie.
First actual event: Rejecting a medal
The emotional core of Biden’s story is the soldier telling him he did not want the medal. The closest match is the story of a Bronze Star Biden pinned on U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Chad Workman in 2011 in Wardak Province, Afghanistan. The ceremony took place at Forward Operating Base Airborne in eastern Afghanistan.
Workman did not retrieve a wounded soldier from a ravine. Rather, he tried to rescue a friend from a burning Humvee, but he arrived too late.
"I never pulled him out because he was melting," Workman told the Post.
He confirmed to the newspaper that he did not look forward to the ceremony with Biden: "I tried to get out of going," Workman said. "I didn’t want that medal."
In recounting the episode in a National Geographic 2016 interview, Biden gave this version of what Workman said right before receiving the medal: "Sir, I don’t want it. I don’t want it. He died. He died. I didn’t do my job, sir. He died."
Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said this is the essential truth of Biden’s story.
"In Afghanistan, he was moved by Staff Sgt. Workman's valor and selflessness, which is emblematic of the duty and sacrifice of the 9/11 generation of veterans who have given so much across countless deployments," Bates said.
Second actual event: Heroism in Konar Province
While visiting Afghanistan in 2008 with other senators, Biden witnessed an award ceremony in Konar Province.
In 2007, during a firefight with the Taliban, a bullet cut through the jaw and neck of a soldier manning a hilltop machine gun. Under fire, Army Pfc. Miles Foltz got to his friend, pulled him to safety, stopped the bleeding and saved his life.
During Biden’s trip, he watched as Maj. Gen. David Rodriguez pinned the Bronze Star on Foltz.
Third actual event: Heroism on a hillside
In 2014, President Barack Obama awarded the Medal of Honor, the nation’s highest military recognition, to Army Sgt. Kyle White. Biden was not present at the ceremony.
In 2007, White and 13 other members of his squad and an Afghan unit were making their way up a hill alongside a cliff when they were caught in an ambush.
"The platoon returned fire," Obama said in the White House award ceremony. "Kyle quickly emptied a full magazine, but as he went to load a second, an enemy grenade exploded and knocked him unconscious. He came to with his face pressed against a rock."
Several of the other soldiers slid down the cliff to safety, but White saw Spc. Kain Schilling burrowed down behind a small tree, trying to treat a shattered arm.
"Kyle sprinted through enemy fire to Kain’s side and began applying a tourniquet — shielding Kain with his own body as gunfire shredded that tree," Obama said.
White aided a second wounded soldier on that hillside and, with bullets whizzing past, pulled him to shelter. That soldier didn’t survive, but the first one did.
After the ceremony, White showed reporters a metal bracelet on his wrist.
"It was given to me by another survivor of the 9 November ambush. He wears an identical one," White said. "This has made it even more precious than the medal of symbol just placed around my neck. On it are the names of six fallen brothers; they are my heroes."
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/04/joe-biden/facts-behind-joe-bidens-blended-story-battlefield-/