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  1. 28 Nov '13 18:53 / 2 edits
    After turning down black packs for tobacco the UK govt say they are looking again at charging smokers £8 for a non marked pack and a gory picture and to kindly donate £6 of that to the NHS, we smokers keep Christmas in our wallets, its great.

    I will vote for anyone who is against this sort of interference in people lives. They should pinch themselves if they want to pick on someone. Smokers should get loyalty cards for the amount of tax they pay already.

    Its time to legalise cannabis (just thought i'd get that in there) I'm taking note of the politicians who back black packs so I never vote for them.
  2. Standard member Soothfast
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    28 Nov '13 21:36
    Originally posted by e4chris
    After turning down black packs for tobacco the UK govt say they are looking again at charging smokers £8 for a non marked pack and a gory picture and to kindly donate £6 of that to the NHS, we smokers keep Christmas in our wallets, its great.

    I will vote for anyone who is against this sort of interference in people lives. They should pinch themselves if ...[text shortened]... that in there) I'm taking note of the politicians who back black packs so I never vote for them.
    Momentum is growing in the US to end prohibition of marijuana. A couple states have legalized it outright, but the federal law remains in force unfortunately. If the US does legalize it (or at least repeals the federal prohibitions against it), my guess is that the UK and other European governments will follow suit rapidly.

    When I first saw the title of this thread I thought it was Sasquatch ranting about the knockout game again.
  3. 28 Nov '13 21:59
    Originally posted by e4chris
    After turning down black packs for tobacco the UK govt say they are looking again at charging smokers £8 for a non marked pack and a gory picture and to kindly donate £6 of that to the NHS, we smokers keep Christmas in our wallets, its great.

    I will vote for anyone who is against this sort of interference in people lives. They should pinch themselves if ...[text shortened]... that in there) I'm taking note of the politicians who back black packs so I never vote for them.
    We are in the era of the nanny state. What you do effects the collective. Why do you want to harm the collective?
  4. 28 Nov '13 22:38 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    Momentum is growing in the US to end prohibition of marijuana. A couple states have legalized it outright, but the federal law remains in force unfortunately. If the US does legalize it (or at least repeals the federal prohibitions against it), my guess is that the UK and other European governments will follow suit rapidly.

    When I first saw the title of this thread I thought it was Sasquatch ranting about the knockout game again.
    That's cool and pot gets in the media more now. But we shouldn't rely completely on the US to decide what's right for the UK - We need drugs laws that respect the individuals and pot is the biggest.

    Black cigarette packets just encourage people to get duty free that's already cheaper. govt could only loose money from this I think. In the UK govt have done more then enough to target cigarettes, I agree with the taxes, some of them and the warnings. But the packs are govt wanting too much influence. I don't know what you'd get next, a cake ban maybe....
  5. 28 Nov '13 22:54 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    We are in the era of the nanny state. What you do effects the collective. Why do you want to harm the collective?
    there's lots in the collective the smokers pay more in tax then they cost...
  6. Standard member caissad4
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    29 Nov '13 02:14
    Originally posted by whodey
    We are in the era of the nanny state. What you do effects the collective. Why do you want to harm the collective?
    If all US smokers quit smoking tomorrow how long would it take before state governments became insolvent ? Talk about harming the collective.
  7. Standard member sasquatch672
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    29 Nov '13 20:45
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    Momentum is growing in the US to end prohibition of marijuana. A couple states have legalized it outright, but the federal law remains in force unfortunately. If the US does legalize it (or at least repeals the federal prohibitions against it), my guess is that the UK and other European governments will follow suit rapidly.

    When I first saw the title of this thread I thought it was Sasquatch ranting about the knockout game again.
    Mmm, I am again basking in the warm glow of your gaze...
  8. 29 Nov '13 20:47
    Originally posted by e4chris
    After turning down black packs for tobacco the UK govt say they are looking again at charging smokers £8 for a non marked pack and a gory picture and to kindly donate £6 of that to the NHS, we smokers keep Christmas in our wallets, its great.

    I will vote for anyone who is against this sort of interference in people lives. They should pinch themselves if ...[text shortened]... that in there) I'm taking note of the politicians who back black packs so I never vote for them.
    and why should non smokers pay for your vice? WE are all paying higher premiums for those who chose to live on the edge.. heart disease is the number one killer in adults here in the USA, and anyone who thinks smoking isn't a factor, is quite frankly an idiot.. next up,, cell phones and driving..why should my rates go up to adjust for drivers who get into accidents while texting on cell phones?
  9. 29 Nov '13 21:52
    Originally posted by e4chris
    there's lots in the collective the smokers pay more in tax then they cost...
    Lets see the stats. What do smokers cost and how much do they pay?
  10. 29 Nov '13 22:17
    Originally posted by e4chris
    there's lots in the collective the smokers pay more in tax then they cost...
    This simply is not true. Smokers end up with costly diseases. Simply look at the dramatic difference in the cost of insurance for smokers and non-smokers. If people want to smoke they should simply give up their governmental healthcare.
  11. 29 Nov '13 23:27
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    and why should non smokers pay for your vice? WE are all paying higher premiums for those who chose to live on the edge.. heart disease is the number one killer in adults here in the USA, and anyone who thinks smoking isn't a factor, is quite frankly an idiot.. next up,, cell phones and driving..why should my rates go up to adjust for drivers who get into accidents while texting on cell phones?
    Not quite true, Hugh. Smokers live considerably shorter lives, and save money on Social Security and Medicare.

    Sure smoking is a factor, but sorting out the other factors isn't really possible.
  12. 29 Nov '13 23:31
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Lets see the stats. What do smokers cost and how much do they pay?
    If the State took the money collected from smokers and directly attacked the alleged costs, that would be one thing, but the money goes into general funds and ends up not doing anything about the alleged "problem".

    Heaven help if they actually deterred smokers, and the government had to replace the tax revenue.