Please turn on javascript in your browser to play chess.
Debates Forum

Debates Forum

  1. Standard member vivify
    rain
    01 Nov '12 22:48 / 1 edit
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/01/michael-bloomberg-obama_n_2059212.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

    New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg endorsed President Barack Obama for reelection on Thursday, Bloomberg TV reported and The Huffington Post confirmed.

    The mayor, an Independent, did not endorse a candidate in the 2008 election and hadn't seem poised to do so this time around either. But he said in an op ed published on his website that his eagerness to see action on climate change legislation persuaded him to back a second term for the president.
  2. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    02 Nov '12 06:44
    Climate change issues have been neglected throughout much of the campaign season. Nice to see it entering the narrative before the finish line.
  3. 02 Nov '12 10:04
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    Climate change issues have been neglected throughout much of the campaign season.
    This is presumably because neither candidate is likely to do anything positive (because big business is against it) and neither would like to highlight this.
    In general the US is against doing anything about climate change and is embarrassed about their very selfish stance.
  4. 02 Nov '12 10:12
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    This is presumably because neither candidate is likely to do anything positive (because big business is against it) and neither would like to highlight this.
    In general the US is against doing anything about climate change and is embarrassed about their very selfish stance.
    What do you suggest the U.S. do about climate change ?
  5. 02 Nov '12 10:17
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    What do you suggest the U.S. do about climate change ?
    Bomb china's coal plants.
  6. 02 Nov '12 10:27
    Originally posted by dryhump
    Bomb china's coal plants.
    I'm serious. Twhitehead says that the U.S. is "embarrassed about their very selfish stance."
    What does he and likeminded individuals think the U.S. should do that would be less selfish considering climate change ?
  7. 02 Nov '12 11:46
    A well-reasoned endorsement. Bloomberg is a valued public servant and leader.
  8. 03 Nov '12 07:48
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    I'm serious. Twhitehead says that the U.S. is "embarrassed about their very selfish stance."
    What does he and likeminded individuals think the U.S. should do that would be less selfish considering climate change ?
    Cut energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions?
  9. 03 Nov '12 07:55
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    Cut energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions?
    Well thanks for answering the question Teinosuke.
    What I am unclear about is how is this supposed to happen ? Through taxation, fines ?
  10. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    03 Nov '12 08:20
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Well thanks for answering the question Teinosuke.
    What I am unclear about is how is this supposed to happen ? Through taxation, fines ?
    How about common sense and good old-fashioned self-interest?
  11. 03 Nov '12 08:30
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    How about common sense and good old-fashioned self-interest?
    So then it would be on the honor system then ?
    We should drive less, turn off the lights when we leave the room, put air in our tires,etc.
    Corporations who produce green house gasses should take it upon themselves to do it less. I guess this is what you are saying.
    What of the individuals who do not adhere to these principals of "common sense" ?
  12. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    03 Nov '12 08:38
    Originally posted by utherpendragon

    What of the individuals who do not adhere to these principals of "common sense" ?
    Fines, obviously.

    What I'm trying to say, though, is that the things that society has to do to counteract climate change are also just good things to do from an economic standpoint: using energy more efficiently, reducing industrial pollutants deleterious to human health, making the environment cleaner. Even if you don't believe in anthropogenic climate change (though you should), that doesn't negate the advantages of instituting common-sense reforms for a more prosperous and sustainable future.
  13. 03 Nov '12 08:42
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Well thanks for answering the question Teinosuke.
    What I am unclear about is how is this supposed to happen ? Through taxation, fines ?
    In general the most efficient way is to tax energy consumption and let the market figure out the optimal way to reduce it.
  14. 03 Nov '12 09:47
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    In general the most efficient way is to tax energy consumption and let the market figure out the optimal way to reduce it.
    Behavorial change through taxation.
    The state of NY is doing that w/tobacco products.
    Following that logic the government could/should heap large taxes on peoples electric,natural gas,coal and oil usage.
    Large taxes on gasoline,cars over a certain size and wieght, more toll roads and bridges,etc,etc. Just tax them to the point where they think twice about using any of these products.
    Is that the the common sense reform we are getting at here ?
    Where do you see these new tax dollars going ?
    I've heard talk on off over the years coming from the left that American tax dollars should go to 3rd world countries for a kind of pennance,if you will, over our irresponsible over consuption of energy.
    Are you on board with that ?
  15. 03 Nov '12 11:50
    "I've heard talk on off over the years coming from the left that American tax dollars should go to 3rd world countries for a kind of pennance,if you will, over our irresponsible over consuption of energy. "

    That must have come from the loony left. They are just as ridiculous as the loony right. The obvious answer is that we keep the money in our own nation - for our own purposes.