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The case was based on a meeting last year held by Bolsonaro where he cast doubt on Brazil’s electronic voting system. It is well-acknowledged by experts that electronic voting systems are rife for fraud. For expressing this valid opinion, Bolsonaro will no longer be able to run for President.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/brazilian-court-bans-jair-bolsonaro-from-running-for-president-again-until-2030/

Current Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva was allowed to run for office despite the fact that he had been convicted on corruption charges. Lula was freed from jail and his record was wiped clean so he could challenge Bolsonaro last year. Now, Bolsonaro will be barred from running for President despite the fact he was never convicted of any crime.

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You've cherry-picked parts of this story.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/brazil-jair-bolsonaro-barred-running-office-electronic-voting-court-rcna92160

Far-right former Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro was barred Friday from running for office again until 2030 after a panel of judges concluded that he abused his power and cast unfounded doubts on the country’s electronic voting system.

Five judges on the nation’s highest electoral court agreed that Bolsonaro used government communication channels to promote his campaign and sowed distrust about the vote.

He abused his power by using government connections to spread election propaganda.

As for Lula's conviction his corruption charges were anulled:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56326389

Get your facts right before posting.

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@vivify
You cherry picked too. We both did. That is what debates are for.

"He abused his power by using government connections to spread election propaganda."

Spreading information about the vulnerabilities of voting machines is not illegal. The UK and the Netherlands do not use voting machines. I am sure they have their reasons. How could that possibly justify preventing him from running until 2030?

If that happened in Russia you would think that was the operations of a dictatorship.

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@vivify
Lula (who served prison time for his bribery charges) was never cleared of wrongdoing; the Supreme Court merely held that the court that tried his case did not have jurisdiction. He could therefore be convicted again.

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@metal-brain said
Spreading information about the vulnerabilities of voting machines is not illegal.
But abusing government power to spread self-serving propaganda is.

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@metal-brain said
@vivify
Lula (who served prison time for his bribery charges) was never cleared of wrongdoing; the Supreme Court merely held that the court that tried his case did not have jurisdiction. He could therefore be convicted again.
Regardless, Lula's charges were annulled. Furthermore, Bolsonaro faces four criminal charges but he fled the country:

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-bolsonaro-faces-legal-risks-after-losing-immunity-2023-01-04/

His immunity as president prevented him from being convicted.

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I can hear the Democrats now... "Wooooow, I wish we had laws like that"

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@vivify said
But abusing government power to spread self-serving propaganda is.
Abusing it how? What is your source of information?

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@vivify said
Regardless, Lula's charges were annulled. Furthermore, Bolsonaro faces four criminal charges but he fled the country:

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-bolsonaro-faces-legal-risks-after-losing-immunity-2023-01-04/

His immunity as president prevented him from being convicted.
Lula was never cleared of wrongdoing.

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@metal-brain said
Abusing it how? What is your source of information?
The first link I posted.

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@metal-brain said
@vivify
You cherry picked too. We both did. That is what debates are for.

"He abused his power by using government connections to spread election propaganda."

Spreading information about the vulnerabilities of voting machines is not illegal. The UK and the Netherlands do not use voting machines. I am sure they have their reasons. How could that possibly justify pr ...[text shortened]... until 2030?

If that happened in Russia you would think that was the operations of a dictatorship.
Actually, cherry picking is not what debates are for.
You want the whole story. Then you look to make sure both parties are agreed on the information at hand.

Then you explore what the various view points on the matter are. And only then do you actually form an opinion and debate its merits.

If at any point disagreement over the facts arise, you have to withdraw and start at step one again.

That’s debating.
What you are doing with cherry picking is isolating information, which when discovered, leaves you back at step 1.

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@shavixmir said
Actually, cherry picking is not what debates are for.
You want the whole story. Then you look to make sure both parties are agreed on the information at hand.

Then you explore what the various view points on the matter are. And only then do you actually form an opinion and debate its merits.

If at any point disagreement over the facts arise, you have to withdraw and ...[text shortened]... oing with cherry picking is isolating information, which when discovered, leaves you back at step 1.
Are you claiming I can cherry pick without correction?
That is what debates are for. You can cherry pick just as easily as anybody else and you often do. Are you claiming you are the only one that should be able to cherry pick?

If you cannot make your point you are not really debating, are you?
Cherry picking is so common what are you going to do, appeal to RHP to censor cherry pickers? You are sillier than silly.

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@vivify said
Regardless, Lula's charges were annulled. Furthermore, Bolsonaro faces four criminal charges but he fled the country:

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-bolsonaro-faces-legal-risks-after-losing-immunity-2023-01-04/

His immunity as president prevented him from being convicted.
I’m pretty sure he fled to Florida of all places, he must have felt like a fish in water down there

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@metal-brain said
Are you claiming I can cherry pick without correction?
That is what debates are for. You can cherry pick just as easily as anybody else and you often do. Are you claiming you are the only one that should be able to cherry pick?
Wow. That was the exact opposite of what he said.

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@vivify said
The first link I posted.
Stop lying. That NBC link does not explain how.
Once again, how did he abuse government power?

Rand Paul posted the Fauci is a liar and continues to be a liar about Gain of Function research. Is he abusing his government power by using his government website to spread that information? No, because we have the 1st amendment of the constitution.

https://www.paul.senate.gov/op_eds/fox-news-op-ed-sen-rand-paul-md-nih-lied-and-continues-lie-about-gain-function-research-and-covid/

Does Brazil have restrictions on free speech that we should know about?
Explain how and stop lying about the first link you posted. It does not explain how he abused government power by merely spreading information at all.

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