Well i'm outraged, and people who have a say ie world leaders all condemn suicide bombings. Of you were to conduct a poll on this site i would suggest most people would find suicide bombings abhorent
1200+ Palestinians killed, 13 Israelis killed. I'll repeat that if you missed it the first time round.
And also, just in case.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4294502.stm
Originally posted by Proper KnobYou're forgetting about the few broken windows in London.
Well i'm outraged, and people who have a say ie world leaders all condemn suicide bombings. Of you were to conduct a poll on this site i would suggest most people would find suicide bombings abhorent
1200+ Palestinians killed, 13 Israelis killed. I'll repeat that if you missed it the first time round.
And also, just in case.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4294502.stm
Originally posted by Proper Knoblol
Well i'm outraged, and people who have a say ie world leaders all condemn suicide bombings. Of you were to conduct a poll on this site i would suggest most people would find suicide bombings abhorent
1200+ Palestinians killed, 13 Israelis killed. I'll repeat that if you missed it the first time round.
And also, just in case.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4294502.stm
Are you really as stupid as you seem? I'll bet it is just an act. You are using this site as part of a resume to get into a good government job. Go ahead and admit it. You devil! I never would have suspected such cunning just by your initial obtuse postings.
Additive morality. You should write a book or a scholorly article explaining that self-defense should be outlawed in favor of additive killings.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI'm not sure what you're going on about buddy. If you could point to me where i made a reference to Israel's right to self-defence that would be helpful as i don't recall it. Also where did i mention 'One for me, one for you etc?
So by your logic then... all self defense is disallowed. It is only moral if you thus commit a virtual suicide if attacked. That makes a lot of sense. And I agree it would make the world a better place... in your specific case.
By your logic, then if I am killed, I can kill one of the enemy. Additive Morality. "One for you, One For me. Two for You, ...[text shortened]... oting you guys. Time out. We need to get along here before I'm dead! Time Frickin OUT!"
I gave the facts, nothing more, nothing less.
Originally posted by Proper KnobYour "FACTS" seem to have divorced from the known universe and all of reason.
I'm not sure what you're going on about buddy. If you could point to me where i made a reference to Israel's right to self-defence that would be helpful as i don't recall it. Also where did i mention 'One for me, one for you etc?
I gave the facts, nothing more, nothing less.
You just said that Israel is guilty of a massacre. Do they not have the right to defend themselves in any fashion they choose if they are attacked? Why should't they carpet bomb the dumb buggers who attack them? People are responsible for their governments. If not then the world is nothing but chaos and we are doomed anyway.
Sheesh! Additive morality. You kill one. I'll kill one. Two for you. Two for me. You are kidding us here. You ALREADY have a government job. You are WAY too sophisticated to just be a wanna'be government worker.
I agree with you, every country/person has a right to self defence. I'm not for one minute saying that Israel has to sit idly by whilst Hamas fires rockets at their civilians. But we're talking about the bombing of schools, UN buildings, power stations, hospitals, firing white phosporous into populated areas. It is al right for you to sit at your computer talking about 'carpet bombing' enitre populations, go put on your tin hat and join the front line.
And who are you? What are you doing on a chess website and not moving for 3 years? I know, you thought you were super chess man with your clever intellect but realised you weren't up to much and bottled out. Safer in the forums.
Originally posted by Proper Knoblol
I agree with you, every country/person has a right to self defence. I'm not for one minute saying that Israel has to sit idly by whilst Hamas fires rockets at their civilians. But we're talking about the bombing of schools, UN buildings, power stations, hospitals, firing white phosporous into populated areas. It is al right for you to sit at your compute ...[text shortened]... clever intellect but realised you weren't up to much and bottled out. Safer in the forums.
I don't play chess because it is EXTREMELY boring and I am absolutely terrible at it. View some of my games if you don't believe me.
I can never agree with your additive morality notions. If anyone attacks me or my family, I will do my best to exterminate their entire extended family. Sorry if you are such a better person than I. This is your problem. Carpet bombing has a single large thing going for it. It is unambiguous in intent and result.
Glad to hear you are not adverse to self-defense. I will look forward to you explaining "The concept of one-to-one death rate morality as a function of war" ... or whatever you choose to title your great opus when you get around to figuring it out.
Originally posted by StarValleyWySelf-defense, eh? Let's assume that figure of 13 Israelis dead is correct. Is that more or less than the amount of Israelis who died in the month before the Gaza war? Think about it.
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Are you really as stupid as you seem? I'll bet it is just an act. You are using this site as part of a resume to get into a good government job. Go ahead and admit it. You devil! I never would have suspected such cunning just by your initial obtuse postings.
Additive morality. You should write a book or a scholorly article explaining that self-defense should be outlawed in favor of additive killings.
Originally posted by generalissimopeople eventually get tired of the same ol problem, its clearly time that the iraelis did the right thing
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123240733254895655.html
In Britain, the war in Gaza has revealed the extent to which the media, intelligentsia and political class have simply crumbled in the face of the global jihad.
The U.K. is a major player in European and world politics and is America's most significant strategic ally. Until now, it has been ...[text shortened]... n violence in Britain (a threat?).
muslim extremism is alive and strong in today's world.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyDefine: "attacks your family." Does this qualify?
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I don't play chess because it is EXTREMELY boring and I am absolutely terrible at it. View some of my games if you don't believe me.
I can never agree with your additive morality notions. If anyone attacks me or my family, I will do my best to exterminate their entire extended family. Sorry if you are such a better person than I. This is your ... or whatever you choose to title your great opus when you get around to figuring it out.
I've decided that you should be moved from your present location 150 miles north. You will live in a 25 square mile encampment. I don't trust you, so I am going to put guards all around the camp. I will put a lot of other people I don't like in there with you.
I will then move my family into your house. You had no right to be there because God gave me that land, and besides you are a lazy pig in my estimation. You ought to get a real job.
You will no be allowed to leave the camp unless I say. I will only allow goods I approve of being shipped in and out of the camp.
If you attempt to resist these moves, I warn you -- I am very lenient and patient and a very good person -- but I will deal harshly with you. You can talk -- I don't care about that. But if you make any attempt to physically resist my will -- I will bomb you from the air and send in soldiers equipped with the most advanced military hardware on the planet to "take you out." If your daughter is standing next to you or is in your arms -- well that will be a shame.
All this is just, in your view? You support this?
If not (and you would view the above as "an attack on your family" ) then based on your message you would actually support Hamas taking steps to exterminate the Israelis!!!
When are we going to get to the point of resolving issues through some means OTHER than exterminating one another?
Originally posted by spruce112358Yea. That is exactly what I mean. So give it a go.
Define: "attacks your family." Does this qualify?
I've decided that you should be moved from your present location 150 miles north. You will live in a 25 square mile encampment. I don't trust you, so I am going to put guards all around the camp. I will put a lot of other people I don't like in there with you.
I will then move my family into your h ...[text shortened]... the point of resolving issues through some means OTHER than exterminating one another?
If I defeat you I may kill you and yours entirely. I may let you live as serf and slave outside my nation in dirt huts. But probably not.
I am not as kind as the average Jew and I sure as hell won't let the dummies I defeat in war start shooting at me and mine. If you do that, I will carpet bomb you and yours into oblivion.
Originally posted by Proper KnobThank you. No balance.
Well i'm outraged, and people who have a say ie world leaders all condemn suicide bombings. Of you were to conduct a poll on this site i would suggest most people would find suicide bombings abhorent
1200+ Palestinians killed, 13 Israelis killed. I'll repeat that if you missed it the first time round.
And also, just in case.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4294502.stm
Originally posted by StarValleyWyNo they do not. Ever heard of the concept of proportionality ?
[b]You just said that Israel is guilty of a massacre. Do they not have the right to defend themselves in any fashion they choose if they are attacked?
It is a legal concept, for example, if someone bumps into you in the street by accident and makes you drop your zimmerframe, you are not entitled to kill them, all their relatives and burn their house down.