It's not really in my nature to start a discussion on religion.
Give me a moment to explain myself:
My mum is a roman catholic, but a roman catholic who sincerely believes that politics are more important than gods and if God has a problem with that, she'll take it up with him when she reaches him.
My dad was a protestant (Nederlands hervormd). They met in Australia and moved to Scotland and had their three children.
One part of my mum was always arguing with the catholic school I was being educated in. They wanted me to go to church and my mum would say: God is everywhere, so he's at home playing with my son and his star wars figures. He doesn't have to go to church.
When I was 11 I had to do confirmation (agreeing with my baptism). Seemingly (I Don't remember properly though) it turned into a scene from the exorcist with me puking up over the bishop in church and being dragged off to the toilet screaming with sick flying all over the place.
anyway, you have an idea where I'm coming from...
As for the story of Jesus, I've always (since I was 13 or so) considered it a political tale. My angle on the whole matter is that Jesus wanted more power to change things as he saw them (opposing the established religion) and very cunningly broke Jewish law, but not Roman law.
The Jews had no powers to prosecute him and the Roman's couldn't prosecute him because he hadn't broken their laws. Very ingenious.
So, to me, Jesus and Judas were acting together to further the political ideas they had (they were the best of friends, let's not forget).
And what greater political stunt could you achieve than being arrested because of claims of 'messiah' and being let off again.
The whole kiss and betrayel was part of the act. Obviously, as history tells, it went awfully pair-shaped for Jesus and Judas committed suiced over it.
A few years before this however, the story of Julius Ceasar and Brutus had its time.
Brutus was convinced by his peers that Julius wanted complete control of the senate (by pronouncing himself king) and that this situation would be bad for Rome.
(much like the priests, as the TRADTIONIAL tale of Jesus tells, convinced Judas that Jesus was going to befuddle the security of Palestine and uspet the Romans).
and much like Judas, Brutus betrayed Julius and basically had him slain.
And much like Judas, Brutus eventually committed suicide (albeit slightly more forced upon him).
So, I was wondering...
Am I the only person who sees great similarities in the two tales?
Do both tales suggest the same! That power corrupts and that greatness is betrayed by doubt?
Am I the only person who thinks it was all political?
Originally posted by shavixmirChristianity was a movement.
It's not really in my nature to start a discussion on religion.
Give me a moment to explain myself:
My mum is a roman catholic, but a roman catholic who sincerely believes that politics are more important than gods and if God has a problem with that, she'll take it up with him when she reaches him.
My dad was a protestant (Nederlands hervormd). T ...[text shortened]... that greatness is betrayed by doubt?
Am I the only person who thinks it was all political?
Originally posted by shavixmirI think it was political for many who needed it to be political, but the teachings of Jesus were that his kingdom was "not of this world." To bring it more current, Martin Luther King used many political avenues and persons to advance equality on earth, but there was always the quality of justice on earth being a sign of inward righteousness with God. Or say from Bishop Tutu: "Saddam Hussein and George Bush have forgotten that on the most basic level that they are brothers." Ouch!
It's not really in my nature to start a discussion on religion.
Give me a moment to explain myself:
My mum is a roman catholic, but a roman catholic who sincerely believes that politics are more important than gods and if God has a problem with that, she'll take it up with him when she reaches him.
My dad was a protestant (Nederlands hervormd). T ...[text shortened]... that greatness is betrayed by doubt?
Am I the only person who thinks it was all political?
Originally posted by kirksey957Just like George W. Bush argues his case in the name of Christianity, I'm sure Jesus used religion to try to convince others of his political motives as well.
I think it was political for many who needed it to be political, but the teachings of Jesus were that his kingdom was "not of this world." To bring it more current, Martin Luther King used many political avenues and persons to advance equality on earth, but there was always the quality of justice on earth being a sign of inward righteousness with God. ...[text shortened]... ein and George Bush have forgotten that on the most basic level that they are brothers." Ouch!
Originally posted by shavixmirObjectively, I think you're forcing a comparison here. Much easier to compare Caeser and Brutus to Abel and Cain.
So, I was wondering...
Am I the only person who sees great similarities in the two tales?
Do both tales suggest the same! That power corrupts and that greatness is betrayed by doubt?
Am I the only person who thinks it was all political?