Originally posted by KellyJayOur gov't should not be in the murdering business when it comes to criminals. Making quick executions an option is a terrifying concept. Sure, in this case, it seems reasonable (given that you support the death penalty), but the death penalty is already grossly unjust in practice even with the appealate process. Often at the time, a convict looks certainly guilty. Why not then execute them on the spot? Well, in many cases the jury gets it wrong.
Okay, why should this guy be allowed a 2nd breath, why should one
penny be spent keeping this guy alive one more minute? If there
ever was a reason for a quick turn around death penalty it is this
guy.
Kelly
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160887,00.html
Now they have almost surely got the right person in this case, but I am arguing that even if I supported the death penalty, I would argue against executing him immediately because of the precedent that it would establish.
Originally posted by telerionTrue I do support the death penalty, and only where there is a slam
Our gov't should not be in the murdering business when it comes to criminals. Making quick executions an option is a terrifying concept. Sure, in this case, it seems reasonable (given that you support the death penalty), but the death penalty is already grossly unjust in practice even with the appealate process. Often at the time, a convict looks certai ...[text shortened]... would argue against executing him immediately because of the precedent that it would establish.
dunk no doubt about case do I support nearly an instant turn around
for carrying it out too. If it isn't that clear on guilt or innocence I
believe every check we have is required for all the reasons we have
them, least we execute an innocent man or woman.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayAnd you display why this country is in so much trouble by watching/reading crap from that station. I'm not going to get in to a pissing match about my values versus your values or even a pissing match about valid news source and pure crap, but I will say that this man deserves to die. I am not real comfortable with state sactioned murder, but I guess you could consider it culling the heard.
You display why this country is in so much trouble with your responce
too.
Kelly
Oh yeah, Kelly the hospital just called and your sense of humor has past away. Sorry.
Originally posted by KellyJayHey Kelly,
Okay, why should this guy be allowed a 2nd breath, why should one
penny be spent keeping this guy alive one more minute? If there
ever was a reason for a quick turn around death penalty it is this
guy.
Kelly
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160887,00.html
He is a human being. He is no more odius than Ghinghis Khan, Mao, Stalin or Hitler. What did he do that they didn't do? By showing that we value him as a treasured member of society, we degrade civilization no end. Have you not figured the ploy?
Pseudo libs only goal is to degrade civilization to the point where their wet dream of "anarchy" becomes doable.
Think about it. Should you want to totally destroy civilization like the pseudo libs want, what would you do? Make a shambles of the law? (see oj being both innocent and guilty -- Robert blake who said the reason he had to return to the resteraunt was to "Get My Gun". -- and Michael Jackson sleeping with the children of thoroughly disgusting people for money."
What better way to destroy civilization than the notion that a psychopathic killer is "human" and is "sacred"?
This is a double whammy. If they can equate "sacred" to psychopathic, they accomplish the destruction of both religion and civilization.
Don't be fooled. Pseudo libs want to destroy civilization. It's that simple.
Mike
Originally posted by KellyJayCall yourself a Christian, KellyJay?
Okay, why should this guy be allowed a 2nd breath, why should one
penny be spent keeping this guy alive one more minute? If there
ever was a reason for a quick turn around death penalty it is this
guy.
Kelly
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160887,00.html
What ever happened to "turn the other cheek?"
What if it transpires that he is innocent but insane and was framed by the police? It's hard to pardon a dead man!
Fact is that this guy will suffer far more being incarcerated for the rest of his life than being killed.
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Originally posted by howardgeeSadist.
Call yourself a Christian, KellyJay?
What ever happened to "turn the other cheek?"
What if it transpires that he is innocent but insane and was framed by the police? It's hard to pardon a dead man!
Fact is that this guy will ...[text shortened]... ore being incarcerated for the rest of his life than being killed.
Why do you want him to suffer when he could be "dead"?
Typical sadistic euro crap. Shame on you.
Or do you just want to do yer' two bits worth toward destroying civilization? Hmmmmm?
Psychopathic killers are the same as normal people?
Originally posted by howardgeehow will he suffer more by being allowed to live? it never gets worse then death. ever.
Call yourself a Christian, KellyJay?
What ever happened to "turn the other cheek?"
What if it transpires that he is innocent but insane and was framed by the police? It's hard to pardon a dead man!
Fact is that this guy will suffer far more being incarcerated for the rest of his life than being killed.
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Originally posted by jared gallegosAh. From the tongues of babes. Sure it does. Death is really rather honorable to people who love liberty and freedom. Only to a coward is it "tragic". A pseudo lib like the killer in question, has no conscience. You think that he/she/it will be torn apart by guilt? snark. Poor old usama? <gag>
how will he suffer more by being allowed to live? it never gets worse then death. ever.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyWell if you believe in the bible, an eye for an eye...
Ah. From the tongues of babes. Sure it does. Death is really rather honorable to people who love liberty and freedom. Only to a coward is it "tragic". A pseudo lib like the killer in question, has no conscience. You think that he/she/it will be torn apart by guilt? snark. Poor old usama? <gag>
just let the father have about 30 minutes with him in a closed
room. That should take care of the problem, no lilly livered
death warrent to be reversed on appeal there.
"Cold-blooded? Why? Because they planned, and schemed.
Yes. But here are the officers of justice, so-called, with all the power of the State, with all the influence of the press, to fan this community into a frenzy of hate; with all of that, who for months have been planning and scheming, and contriving, and working to take these two boys' lives.
You may stand them up on the trap-door of the scaffold, and choke them to death, but that act will be infinitely more cold-blooded whether justified or not, than any act that these boys have committed or can commit.
Cold-blooded!
Let the State, who is so anxious to take these boys' lives, set an example in consideration, kindheartedness and tenderness before they call my clients cold-blooded."
Clarence Darrow, The State of Illinois v. Nathan Leopold & Richard Loeb
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Originally posted by WulebgrSee my posts about Pseudo Libs goal of destroying civilization. Darrow was a supreme lib. I don't even want to use the term pseudo with him, because he truly understood that it was his lifes mission to destroy religion, law, decency and anything else that could be called "good". A real man of his times. He was a convert to the new philosophies that sprang up around Marx, perhaps called "collective" amorality. Pun intended.
"Cold-blooded? Why? Because they planned, and schemed.
Yes. But here are the officers of justice, so-called, with all the power of the State, with all the influence of the press, to fan this community into a frenzy of hate; with a ...[text shortened]... nce Darrow, The State of Illinois v. Nathan Leopold & Richard Loeb
So he was one of the first to push for outlawing the death of psycopathic killers because they were "just children" and the state had nothing to gain.... "hanging these two young boys will not bring Franks back to life".
It is the age old effort of the left to equate psycopathic evil to a neutral state.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/loeb/index_1.html?sect=7
Originally posted by howardgeeYes I call myself a Christian, your point?
Call yourself a Christian, KellyJay?
What ever happened to "turn the other cheek?"
What if it transpires that he is innocent but insane and was framed by the police? It's hard to pardon a dead man!
Fact is that this guy will suffer far more being incarcerated for the rest of his life than being killed.
If he slapped me I'd hope I could turn the the cheek.
If however he went to harm my kids, he would see me defending
them.
You don't know what occurs after death as far as suffering is concern.
Kelly