California pays more to illegals than US homeless

@whodey said
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/map-illegal-immigration-costs-california-most-23b-all-states-89b

California pays about $23 billion for illegal alien welfare

But not even near that for it's own homeless citizens.

https://www.usich.gov/homelessness-statistics/ca/

Is this the way it should be?

Lmao for pretending you care about the homeless.

If that $23 billion went to the homeless, you'd be bitching about socialism and "handouts".

@js357 said
The residents. Of course you have an implied point, there is income inequality. Some workers - think Uber - have to live in outlying counties and drive to the streets of SF.

And yes, there are other social ailments.

Blue collar workers are being driven out, replaced by illegals. At least Pelosi living in her fenced and gated mansion can get grounds keepers on the cheap.

@mott-the-hoople said
both of those are choices!

Not like the good choices you get.

@mott-the-hoople said
LOL...did you miss this?

"The economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States is challenging to measure, and politically contentious. The scarcity of reliable statistics leaves room for many methods of study, leading to diverse conclusions."

No, I read links that I post.
(Something you would do well to copy.)

So ... after that caveat, where do you think Wiki got the rest of the information?
Do you think it was plucked from thin air? (No - they are not Trump)
Do you think they cherry-picked and were biased? (No - they are not Fox News)
Do you think they took a generalised view in line with academic thinking. (Yes.)

Or did you miss that?

@suzianne said
Such kind and humble "Christian" thinking.

I have been somewhat impressed over the months that our lib-leaners don't bring emotion, christian, moral, such as that into their commentaries. Any one of those positions can really drag discussions of facts (money, who owes who what, legal rights, woman's body, man's body, whatever), into empty vapor, no points can be made on any such basis. The "Christian thinking" comment above is an example. I'm Christian, but would not say " :What would Jesus do??!!?!?

Assume Duchess invented a cure for Aids in her basement. Cured her neighbor, then locked herself in. It is her invention, she owns it. Neighbor tells the mayor about it. Large crowd gathers in front of Duchess' house. Legally it is hers, the crowd wants to take it from her. Steal it. For her to give it up would be the moral or christian thing to do, but do they have a right to it? Of course not. But the moral thing to do is for her to give it to the world. A moral dilemma. Point is, to answer the question correctly, Suzianne might say facetiously "Her keeping it is such a christian thing to do." That would not be relative. Just sayin.

@averagejoe1 said
The "Christian thinking" comment above is an example. I'm Christian, but would not say " :What would Jesus do??!!?!?

Assume Duchess invented a cure for Aids in her basement. Cured her neighbor, then locked herself in. It is her invention, she owns it. Neighbor tells the mayor about it. Large crowd gathers in front of Duchess' house. Legally it is hers, the crow ...[text shortened]... cetiously "Her keeping it is such a christian thing to do." That would not be relative. Just sayin.

Your religion doesn't say you should force your ideals onto the others....*cough*. So your example isn't valid.

However, Christians are supposed to follow their *own* religion's ideals. This is where the problem comes in. When Christians don't follow their own moral code, it makes them hypocrites. Like the following:

Luke 3:11 --- "John answered, "Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same."

Yet, the party made up of Christians has the exact opposite view, treating them like the scum of the earth and yelling at them to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

I'm Christian, but would not say " :What would Jesus do??!!?!?

And that's the problem.

@vivify said
Your religion doesn't say you should force your ideals onto the others....*cough*. So your example isn't valid.

However, Christians are supposed to follow their *own* religion's ideals. This is where the problem comes in. When Christians don't follow their own moral code, it makes them hypocrites. Like the following:

Luke 3:11 --- "John answered, "Anyone who has tw ...[text shortened]... g them like the scum of the earth and yelling at them to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

One small point here vivfy, there is a difference between the words 'should' and 'must'.

Can you see what that difference might be.

@wajoma said
One small point here vivfy, there is a difference between the words 'should' and 'must'.

Can you see what that difference might be.

Yes. That difference is hypocrisy,

@averagejoe1 said
I have been somewhat impressed over the months that our lib-leaners don't bring emotion, christian, moral, such as that into their commentaries. Any one of those positions can really drag discussions of facts (money, who owes who what, legal rights, woman's body, man's body, whatever), into empty vapor, no points can be made on any such basis. The "Christian thinking" co ...[text shortened]... cetiously "Her keeping it is such a christian thing to do." That would not be relative. Just sayin.

You're not claiming to be Christian, at least not very loudly.

Eladar does.

That's the difference.

@averagejoe1 said
I have been somewhat impressed over the months that our lib-leaners don't bring emotion, christian, moral, such as that into their commentaries. Any one of those positions can really drag discussions of facts (money, who owes who what, legal rights, woman's body, man's body, whatever), into empty vapor, no points can be made on any such basis. The "Christian thinking" co ...[text shortened]... cetiously "Her keeping it is such a christian thing to do." That would not be relative. Just sayin.

“For her to give it up [a cure for AIDS, for example] would be the moral or christian thing to do, but do they have a right to it? Of course not.”

Shouldn’t members of societies have a right to establish a legal system defining and protecting intellectual property rights, including rules covering emergencies that may threaten the existence of the society as constituted?

@js357 said
“For her to give it up [a cure for AIDS, for example] would be the moral or christian thing to do, but do they have a right to it? Of course not.”

Shouldn’t members of societies have a right to establish a legal system defining and protecting intellectual property rights, including rules covering emergencies that may threaten the existence of the society as constituted?

I think probably so. This was an extreme analogy to make a point. We prob need a law that says she has to hand it over. But I don’t think there is. But , still, my point is that debates such as this should respect that a person, within his/her rights, should not have to consider aspersions of being ‘not very Christian ‘ or amoral or lacking emotion, whatever. Indeed, they, or me, may have personal reasons to stick with the facts. Common sense and logic helps too.

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Great perspectives, but wait!,,,,you turned this moral issue into an economic one! You said that is a no-no. But nice to seeyour competitive spirit, another capitalist in our midst. I could make it interesting by saying a guy in the next town is close to the same discovery.

I guess I hopefully made my point, this might make a good thread. Like, the lifeboat with 5 too many people, it is sinking. Do we dump 5 off to save the remaining 15?

@wolfgang59 said
No, I read links that I post.
(Something you would do well to copy.)

So ... after that caveat, where do you think Wiki got the rest of the information?
Do you think it was plucked from thin air? (No - they are not Trump)
Do you think they cherry-picked and were biased? (No - they are not Fox News)
Do you think they took a generalised view in line with academic thinking. (Yes.)

Or did you miss that?

Edit wiki. You people are fools. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing