02 Dec 10
I see the climate going to hell in a handbasket, it already has caused low lying villages to be abandoned to rising sea levels, and our way of life seems tied to relentless consumption and we are already using up 50% of the planet's resources. How long can we keep this up? With the world's population inching to 10 billion, even more resources will be needed. It seems to me we are headed for a breaking point. Maybe even before the 2100 date touted by the climate guys.
02 Dec 10
Originally posted by rwingetteven in the early nineties it was completely unsustainable, what have we now, the highest ocean temperatures on record, depletion of fishing stocks almost beyond reparation, deforestation on a massive level, melting ice caps, ozone depletion, indeed which country is willing to sacrifice its economy for the sake of the environment?
Does it matter if the "50%" is accurate? His general points are indisputable. But you'll quibble about the exact percentile while the flood waters continue to rise over your neck.
02 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieA massive public limited company or corporation can effectively buy its way out of 'dirty practise'...they like to say, 'we're proudly carbon neutral,' but hide the 'offsetters' bit..they just pass on their 'CO2 debt' to the environment by paying biiig fees to faceless bodies that then plant trees, which amazingly die millions of years before the Co2 really does become neutral.. or come up with bollox ideas like pumping Co2 down old mineshafts and other abandoned fossil fuel pollutants, oil wells, to 'neutralise' them.( theoretically as sounds as making an international fone call with two cans and a piece of string between them given the immense amounts required, highly impractical but it sounds plausible )..Yaaa, I regularly fill up at BP because they're so so carbon neutral 'offsetting'...
even in the early nineties it was completely unsustainable, what have we now, the highest ocean temperatures on record, depletion of fishing stocks almost beyond reparation, deforestation on a massive level, melting ice caps, ozone depletion, indeed which country is willing to sacrifice its economy for the sake of the environment?
02 Dec 10
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Originally posted by RevRSleekeri know, their petrol pumps are all green and eco friendly, Shell are the same, its like diesel is the most natural thing in the world, its even healthy and good for you!
A massive public limited company or corporation can effectively buy its way out of 'dirty practise'...they like to say, 'we're proudly carbon neutral,' but hide the 'offsetters' bit..they just pass on their 'CO2 debt' to the environment by paying biiig fees to faceless bodies that then plant trees, which amazingly die millions of years before the Co2 rea aa, I regularly fill up at BP because they're so so carbon neutral 'offsetting'...
02 Dec 10
Originally posted by dryhumpi live in Scotland my friend, we have more of the blooming stuff than we can handle or desire, saying that, like you say, for some its going to be huge, i thought they had huge desalination plants, i was reading somewhere, maybe is was Saudi, cannae quite remember.
Exactly, but forget about that, what about water? It's already becoming an issue in Israel.
02 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAh, desalination plants, why can't they effectively boil the waters...reminds me of when I inadvertantly 'poisoned' myself by brushing my teeth with the Canaries water supply...what an idiot but it was many a year ago lol.
i live in Scotland my friend, we have more of the blooming stuff than we can handle or desire, saying that, like you say, for some its going to be huge, i thought they had huge desalination plants, i was reading somewhere, maybe is was Saudi, cannae quite remember.
02 Dec 10
Originally posted by RevRSleekerLOl, same thing happened to me when i was camping on the Island of Arran, all these bikers came and got us wasted, i went to brush my teeth in the morning in a wee burn, it turned out to be one of those orangey kind of run offs from the field type of burns, luckily i was still numb from the night before despite cold spaghetti sandwiches that those jolly bikers were handing out, never felt a thing 🙂
Ah, desalination plants, why can't they effectively boil the waters...reminds me of when I inadvertantly 'poisoned' myself by brushing my teeth with the Canaries water supply...what an idiot but it was many a year ago lol.
03 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDirty rotten bikers, never would I count myself with that brigade 😉
LOl, same thing happened to me when i was camping on the Island of Arran, all these bikers came and got us wasted, i went to brush my teeth in the morning in a wee burn, it turned out to be one of those orangey kind of run offs from the field type of burns, luckily i was still numb from the night before despite cold spaghetti sandwiches that those jolly bikers were handing out, never felt a thing 🙂
03 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAnd we can never get off that roller coaster. Our consumerist economy requires perpetual growth to keep that house of cards from collapsing. It can only be sustained for so long, and the cracks in the foundation are becoming harder and harder to ignore. I'm afraid short term priorities will continue to take precedence until the very last.
even in the early nineties it was completely unsustainable, what have we now, the highest ocean temperatures on record, depletion of fishing stocks almost beyond reparation, deforestation on a massive level, melting ice caps, ozone depletion, indeed which country is willing to sacrifice its economy for the sake of the environment?