Can you imagine what it must feel like . . .

@Arkturos said
I think some people resist such help or endure it, with not much beneficial result.

Yes, distinct possibility. Don't know how much the old adage, "you have to WANT to change' helps.

@Arkturos said
The mental occlusion is so evident.

You're right there. More than you know.

I hear they have medication for that now. You know, mental clarity.

@sonhouse said
Yes, distinct possibility. Don't know how much the old adage, "you have to WANT to change' helps.

Sounds familiar. 🙂

@sonhouse said
Is this autobiographical?

Apparently so.

@Arkturos said
I don't believe her history could excuse her behavior.

I hope she is capable of taking charge of her presentation of self before she croaks, for the benefit of others.

Oh, I passed that benchmark more than a decade and a half ago.

Perhaps your problem is efficacy? Try sticking to the point, unless your intention is to confuse.

@Arkturos said
Because I have already arrived and am just trying to bring other people along? 😉

Dragging other people into your morass of self isn't really that popular here, if you hadn't guessed.

@Arkturos said
Yeah, whatever, but if you cannot refrain from abusing others on the way to crafting the future, aren't you just perpetuating the trauma?

Those who are most ill are far more likely to assess help as abuse. It comes with the job to roll with these kinds of punches, realizing it's just acting out.

I kinda wish my trauma was as weak as your definition of "trauma".

@Arkturos said
Do I? How would you know that?

Experience?

Most do try to believe them the first time when people show them who they are.

@Arkturos said
How so? If you have the time and inclination, would you mind posting a compare and contrast?

So you're asking him to do work, when you'll just ignore it anyway?

That's not very sociable.

@sonhouse said
If you are abusing others then you need help psychologically at least.

Some are more amenable to being helped.

Some are not.

@Arkturos said
Well, some people transit more difficult circumstances than others, and as for me, I'm not sure sure I would be receptive to external offers of help, no matter how well-intended.

See?






By the way, wasn't it you who said something about no amount of trauma excuses bad behavior? Not that you know what you are talking about, but one might expect you to accommodate into your own behavior things you say you believe in, n'est-ce pas?

@Arkturos said
Yeah, it is. It seems that a few years ago someone here latched onto me as somehow belonging to whatever demographic agglomeration they were at the time trying to defend and support, but without any consideration that I might actually be an independent sprout with my own views and ideas.

And I'll go further to say that I would rather not be considered associated with that someone, because of their chronic, detrimental behavior.

Further example of grabbing the wrong end of the stick.

Most people realize it is foolhardy to reject allies. Some don't.