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  1. 13 Jun '10 13:42 / 1 edit
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100611/ap_on_bi_ge/us_greenhouse_gases

    In a boost for the president on global warming, the Senate on Thursday rejected a challenge to Obama administration rules aimed at cutting greenhouse gas emissions from power plants and other big polluters.

    The defeated resolution would have denied the EPA the authority to move ahead with the rules, crafted under the federal Clean Air Act. With President Barak OBama's broader clean energy legislation struggling to gain a foothold in the Senate, the vote took on greater significance as a signal of where lawmakers stand on dealing with climate change.

    "If ever there was a vote to find out whose side you are on, this is it," said Senator Barbara Boxer, chairman of the Environment and Public Works Committee.

    The vote was 53-47 to stop the Senate from moving forward on the Republican-led effort to restrain the EPA.

    Senator Joe Lieberman, predicted the vote would "increase momentum to adopt comprehensive energy and climate legislation this year."

    But Obama still needs 60 votes to advance his energy agenda, and Democrats don't have them yet. Senator James Inhofe, said the vote made clear that a majority in the Senate back either a delay or an outright ban on "the Obama EPA's job killing, global warming agenda."

    Republicans, and the 6 Democrats who voted with them to advance the resolution, said Congress, not bureaucrats, should be in charge of writing climate change policy. They said the EPA rules would drive up energy costs and kill jobs.

    But Democrats, referring frequently to the Gulf spill, said it made no sense to udermine efforts to curtail greenhouse gas emissions and reduce dependence on oil and other fossil fuels.

    The effort to block the rules "is an attempt to bury our heads in the sand and ignore reality," said Senator Tom Udall.

    Obama said the vote was another reminder of the need to pass legislation to reduce the country's reliance on oil. The White House had issued a veto threat this week, saying the resolution would block efforts to cut pollution that could harm people's health and well-being.

    "Today the Senate chose to move America forward, towards that clean energy economy -- not backward to the same failed policies that have left our nation increasingly dependent on foreign oil," he said.

    The EPA crafted standards on greenhouse gas emissions by big polluters after the Supreme Court ruled that those emissions could be considered a danger to human health and thus could be regulated under the Clean Air Act. The rules are to go into effect next January.

    The poor chances of the anti-EPA measure overcoming a veto and becoming law did not deter fierce debate.

    Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky called the new regulations a "blatant power grab by the administration and the EPA." With a broad energy bill unlikely to pass this year, "the administration has shifted course and is now trying to get done through the back door what they have not been able to get done through the front door," he said.

    But Senator Harry Reid, called the blocking mearsure, "a great big gift of big oil" that would "increase pollution, increase our dependence on fieign oil and stall our efforts to create jobs" in clean energy.

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Thursday that the he anticipated the Senate taking up a broader energy bill in the next several weeks "and hopefully we can get something done before Congress adjourns this year."

    The sponser of Thursday's resolution, Republican Lisa Murkowski, said her intent was to protect the authority of Congress, not the interests of the oil industry. "It should be up to us to set the policy of this country, not unelected bureaucrats within an agency," she said.

    Her Democratic allies used similar arguments. "The reglucatory approach is the wrong way to promote renewable energy and clean energy jobs in Arkansas and the rest of the country," Senator Blanche Lincoln said, who faces a difficult re-election campaign this summer.

    Senator Jimm Webb, who opposed the resolution, agreed that Congress should not cede its authority to the executive branch but expressed concern the measure would reverse progress made in such areas as vehicle emissions. He said he supported a bill that would suspend EPA's regulation of greenhouse gases from stationary sources for two years.

    Murkowski, too, said Congress should be working harder to come up with an energy bill. The issue was whether a consensus was possible this year.

    "Here is the real rub," said Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carilina Republican who has worked with Democrats on possible energy legislation. "If we stop them (the rules), are we going to do anything?"

    "This is going to be the great hypocrisy test," said Senator John Kerry, cosponsor of a major clean energy proposal. He asked whether those demanding that Congress act first would actually vote for change.

    There were other disputes about the consequences of the Murkowski resolution. EPA administrator Lisa Jackson and the White House said the resolution would force the EPA to rescind the standards for emissions from future-model cars and light trucks it came up with earlier this year with the Transportation Department. The result, she said, would be a need for the country to consume an extra 455 million barrels of oil.

    Murkowski and others countered that Transportation has long been able to set fuel efficiency standards without the help of the EPA.

    Jackson also denied the arguments of critics that the EPA rules would impose devastating costs on small businesses and farmers, resulting in major job losses. The EPA added a provision that exempts small sources of pollution from the regulators for 6 years."

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    So what is the controversy? I mean, Congress has voted to allow the EPA to help impose the largest regressive tax in US history without one vote being cast. I say its a step in the right direction. The Constitutional process of passing laws is obviously overrated, as we saw with the Reconciliation that was needed to pass Obamacare. In fact, who gives a damn about the Constitution....unless we are discussing illegal immigration.
  2. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    13 Jun '10 14:02
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100611/ap_on_bi_ge/us_greenhouse_gases

    In a boost for the president on global warming, the Senate on Thursday rejected a challenge to Obama administration rules aimed at cutting greenhouse gas emissions from power plants and other big polluters.

    The defeated resolution would have denied the EPA the authority to move ahead wi ...[text shortened]... stitution....unless we are discussing illegal immigration.
    Which part of your cut and paste supports your assertion that cap and trade is "the largest regressive tax in US history"? I am pretty much neutral on this issue but every time you have made this "largest regressive tax in US history" claim on this forum, it has been completely rebutted. What's new in this cut and paste that supports this assertion of yours that has been repeatedly refuted and that is seemingly only carried by far right blogs with little traction or credibility?
  3. 13 Jun '10 14:54
    Originally posted by FMF
    Which part of your cut and paste supports your assertion that cap and trade is "the largest regressive tax in US history"? I am pretty much neutral on this issue but every time you have made this "largest regressive tax in US history" claim on this forum, it has been completely rebutted. What's new in this cut and paste that supports this assertion of yours that ...[text shortened]... and that is seemingly only carried by far right blogs with little traction or credibility?
    It does not include the regressive tax, however, this sight does.

    http://www.yumasun.com/opinion/congressman-51164-trade-cap.html

    The only thing that rebutted was that it was not the largest direct tax, not regressive tax.
  4. 14 Jun '10 15:22 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    Which part of your cut and paste supports your assertion that cap and trade is "the largest regressive tax in US history"? I am pretty much neutral on this issue but every time you have made this "largest regressive tax in US history" claim on this forum, it has been completely rebutted. What's new in this cut and paste that supports this assertion of yours that ...[text shortened]... and that is seemingly only carried by far right blogs with little traction or credibility?
    No reply FMF? I am curious as to why you are "neutral" on cap and trade. Can you elaborate? Afte all, the sky is falling don't ya know!!