@spruce112358 saidFascism is capitalism. Didn't you know that?
If you read that report, there is more to happiness than socialism. 😆
For example, in much of the world, the young are happier than the old, but in North America, and many other highly rated countries, the old are much happier than the young.
Also, the US and Germany have both slipped significantly (and equivalently) in rankings lately, but Germany is much more s ...[text shortened]... a socialist effect it is probably driven by reliable and reasonably priced access to healthcare. 😆
@spruce112358 said" Communism OTOH is like having committees decide absolutely everything in the public AND private sector. It's just a whole separate nightmare of an idea"
One doesn't 'transition' to the other - they are symbiotic. 😆
Socialism says 'We must protect everyone's rights equally.' Socialism doesn't care at all about profits, only rights.
Capitalism says 'I can do whatever I want with my money.' Capitalism doesn't give a fig about rights, only profits.
Capitalism dies without socialist protections of things like propert ...[text shortened]... e what automatically happens is that everybody tries to make sure only THEY are on those committees.
That is how the American education system works. When did our education system fail? That is how NASA worked before Musk. When did NASA fail?
That is how our military works. When did our military fail?
By your logic we already have communism in the USA.
@Kewpie saidNot unusual on a debate stage for debaters to trade comments back and forth. Maybe all the yellow faces are distracting you? Would you rather I compose huge tomes like you-know-who does?
Six posts in a row, by one of the most vapid and thoughtless forum posters ever to spam up these forums. Is there even a possibility of a rational person in there? Spruce deserves to be listened to, respectfully, because he thinks.
Spruce thinks?? This is what he 'thinks'.
'Cars burn whn hey need to burn'. What a thinker, little feller.
'If he didn't want his cars to burn he should have thought ahead'. Jesus.
😲h, and this one. He is a socialist. Would you tell us here if you are a socialist.?
I am not a socialist. Are you a promoter of socialism as he is?
"""Once socialism creates order, free individuals with the liberty to do as they please, start business and provide very efficiently for the wants and needs of others, through monetary exchanges. The elegant garden of capitalism flowers on the good solid earth of socialism - and in fact capitalism withers and dies very quickly without that foundation.
Socialism handles voting. Capitalism provides cheese. And the roles are not interchangeable: we don't need Citizen's United to contaminate voting with money or "government-provided cheese" etc. That's why we don't need a CEO as President. CEO's run businesses. The President runs the country. The skill set is not the same (as if we needed more evidence of that.)""
DO YOU GET THIS PART? He (and Suzianne) do not want businessmen in govt.
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@Metal-Brain saidIf you want an example, use the American family. Every family is a communist enclave. 😆
" Communism OTOH is like having committees decide absolutely everything in the public AND private sector. It's just a whole separate nightmare of an idea"
That is how the American education system works. When did our education system fail? That is how NASA worked before Musk. When did NASA fail?
That is how our military works. When did our military fail?
By your logic we already have communism in the USA.
A 'Politburo' makes all decisions. There is no free market in the kitchen - just rules on who can eat what when. Nobody rents a car - cars are a 'public good' and allocated on the basis of need. Jobs are assigned according to ability, but the pay scale is nominal. Healthcare is free. Housing is free (but you may have to share a room.) Common furniture is all 'public use.' No fees to sit on the couch or watch television, but Senior Party Members decide what is gonna be on and also 'you can't watch that.' Clothes are provided as needed. Education is provided as needed - "to each according to their needs." A less-well known feature of communist societies (which I learned from people who used to live under it) is the tattle-tale culture which arises, spying on one another and telling the authorities. All good fun. 😆
And Americans love communism at that level, and it works fine! The American family is holy, sacred, revered, and 100% communist. 😆
The question is: "Does communism in America need to extend outside the family?" And the answer there is a clear no. Communism is one of those solutions that doesn't 'scale up,' and in fact becomes a disaster if you try to scale it up.
@AverageJoe1 said@AverageJoe1, why so angry? 😆 😆 😆 😆
'If he didn't want his cars to burn he should have thought ahead'.
When someone shreds MY Constitution and destroys MY government which protects all of our rights equally, what makes you think I am going to defend THEIR property rights? 😆
Look! I'm laughing at you, @AverageJoe1! 😆 😆 😆 😆
You should have thought ahead before you supported that. Where's your Tesla parked? 😆
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@AverageJoe1 saidThat's a great quote. Wow. Impressive! 😆
Once socialism creates order, free individuals with the liberty to do as they please, start business and provide very efficiently for the wants and needs of others, through monetary exchanges. The elegant garden of capitalism flowers on the good solid earth of socialism - and in fact capitalism withers and dies very quickly without that foundation.
But the quote definitely explains why we need both socialism and capitalism. The author goes on to assert that 'businessmen' are not that good at running government - and the reason is apparent:
If you are trained, or are just good at running a business, you know how to make profits. But you may never have given ANY thought in your life about how to protect people's rights - which is the job of government.
Putting a businessman in charge of government is like putting a stock broker in charge of herding cattle. It's just not in their wheelhouse - they never thought about it, and very unlikely they know what they are doing. 😆
PS. I guess I'm not going to get to 6 posts. 😆
@Metal-Brain saidFascism is the male form of communism. 😆
Fascism is capitalism. Didn't you know that?
@Metal-Brain saidsocialism is not marxism you illiterate donkey
People are happier in socialist countries.
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/where-people-are-unhappiest-their-lives
Since people are happier in socialist countries just think how much happier they would be in a communist country. Now do you understand why capitalists hate Marxism so much? How can a capitalist country exist if everyone leaves? It can't.
...[text shortened]... nnot prosper without workers so in the end even the capitalists will leave to where the workers are.
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@Zahlanzi saidSocialism has been described as a philosophy seeking distributive justice, and communism as a subset of socialism that prefers economic equality as its form of distributive justice.
socialism is not marxism you illiterate donkey
Why is socialism considered bad?
One criticism of socialism is that, in any society where everyone holds equal wealth, there can be no material incentive to work because one does not receive rewards for a work well done. They further argue that incentives increase productivity for all people and that the loss of those effects would lead to stagnation.
Criticism of socialism - Wikipedia
Actually, I drive a Jeep, my wife has a Rivian. Will we be able to keep them? And can we drive them to get on a friend's yacht for a trip to the Azores?
OK, so tell us, Zahlanzi, how do you surmount or overcome that pesky problem of lack of incentive, less productivity? How will we ever get to Mars, Zahlanzi?
Jesus, there is not a stable mind among you. Why? Because you think like socialists.
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@AverageJoe1 saidYou JUST said communism is a subset of socialism (which i have issue with anyway but i am giving you rope here) and then you proceed to critic socialism as if it's the most severe form of communism. In the same paragraph.
Socialism has been described as a philosophy seeking distributive justice, and communism as a subset of socialism that prefers economic equality as its form of distributive justice.
Why is socialism considered bad?
One criticism of socialism is that, in any society where everyone holds equal wealth, there can be no material incentive to work because one does not recei ...[text shortened]... hlanzi?
Jesus, there is not a stable mind among you. Why? Because you think like socialists.
It's like you have to attention span of a goldfish. My guess is you copied the first sentence frome one place and then you charged ahead with something taken from fox news or charlie kirk speech
You have no idea why you're the laughing stock of the forum do you?
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@Zahlanzi saidHate that laughing stock moniker.
You JUST said communism is a subset of socialism (which i have issue with anyway but i am giving you rope here) and then you proceed to critic socialism as if it's the most severe form of communism. In the same paragraph.
It's like you have to attention span of a goldfish. My guess is you copied the first sentence frome one place and then you charged ahead with something ...[text shortened]... news or charlie kirk speech
You have no idea why you're the laughing stock of the forum do you?
Hey Z, this appears at the bottom of my post, as I copied both paragraphs from Wikipedia.
Criticism of socialism - Wikipedia. (This one right here....it reads Criticism of socialism-Wikipedia). Look back and you will see it. Sue could show it to you.
Whew. You libs are a mess. laffing stock i wojdl say
Now, where were you? (And have you seen those Spruce comments above? Wow. I'm surrounded.)
@AverageJoe1 saidfor fuk's sake learn to read. it's a list of everyone who spoke against socialism, ever. There are critiques of all flavours of socialism, including communist lite and communism original taste which nobody on this forum ever advocated for.
Hate that laughing stock moniker.
Hey Z, this appears at the bottom of my post, as I copied both paragraphs from Wikipedia.
Criticism of socialism - Wikipedia. (This one right here....it reads Criticism of socialism-Wikipedia). Look back and you will see it. Sue could show it to you.
Whew. You libs are a mess. laffing stock i wojdl say
Now, where were you? (And have you seen those Spruce comments above? Wow. I'm surrounded.)
the article qualifies this in the very begining but you just skimmed it, like you always do.
Every left winged poster on this forum has constantly told you what they mean by socialism. Be like Norway. Be like Sweeden. Be like Canada. Even be like Germany or France. You ignore everyone and just vomit Venezuela and North Korea.
"Hate that laughing stock moniker."
Do better if you are capable, I doubt you are.