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    30 Oct '17 20:18
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    You are joking?

    Scotland has been free since the late 14th Century. The House of Stuart
    ruled an independent Scotland for hundreds of years and then finally
    ruled England too to form a United Kingdom.

    The Scottish parliament repeatedly asked England for political unity
    until it was finally realised in early 1700s.
    For most Americans knowledge of Scotland begins and ends with Mel Gibson's Braveheart.
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    30 Oct '17 20:25
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    For most Americans knowledge of Scotland begins and ends with Mel Gibson's Braveheart.
    Was it a "good" thing that Braveheart was unable to secure independence?
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    30 Oct '17 21:37
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Was it a "good" thing that Braveheart was unable to secure independence?
    "Good" for whom?
    England? Scotland? The United Kingdom? or perhaps the World?

    The reason England ruled Scotland for the best part of 100 years was that
    the Scots kept fighting amongst themselves. An independent Scotland
    would have been in a state of constant civil war.

    As I said before once the House of Stuart came to the throne they eventually
    ruled England too. (17th Century)

    Maybe England should have fought for their "independence" then?
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    30 Oct '17 21:49
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    "Good" for whom?
    England? Scotland? The United Kingdom? or perhaps the World?

    The reason England ruled Scotland for the best part of 100 years was that
    the Scots kept fighting amongst themselves. An independent Scotland
    would have been in a state of constant civil war.

    As I said before once the House of Stuart came to the throne they eventually ...[text shortened]... d England too. (17th Century)

    Maybe England should have fought for their "independence" then?
    All the above.

    What is for the greater good to crush the Scottish move towards independence, even if it meant them suffering more oppression?
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    30 Oct '17 22:20
    Originally posted by @whodey
    All the above.

    What is for the greater good to crush the Scottish move towards independence, even if it meant them suffering more oppression?
    In the 14th Century most people were oppressed
    and it probably made little difference who the top man was.
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    30 Oct '17 23:05
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    In the 14th Century most people were oppressed
    and it probably made little difference who the top man was.
    And now they are not, eh?

    Do tell.
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    31 Oct '17 05:16
    Originally posted by @whodey
    And now they are not, eh?

    Do tell.
    The oppressed are not given referenda.
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    31 Oct '17 08:34
    YouTube

    To enlighten whodey on how the union was formed.
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    31 Oct '17 09:09
    Originally posted by @ashiitaka
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNgP6d9HraI

    To enlighten whodey on how the union was formed.
    It gets off to a bad start with "Norman being code for French"!
    It will probably put more misconceptions into whodey's head.
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    31 Oct '17 10:00
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    It gets off to a bad start with "Norman being code for French"!
    It will probably put more misconceptions into whodey's head.
    lol sorry. wrong link.

    YouTube
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    31 Oct '17 10:44
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Was it a "good" thing that Braveheart was unable to secure independence?
    Read and learn:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braveheart#Historical_inaccuracy
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