Originally posted by @whodey https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/04/can-catalonia-declare-independence-from-spain
Who here supports the right of the people of Catalonia to declare independence from Spain?
Problem is, the people of Catalonia don't appear unified in their desire for independence. Indeed, from what I understand, more Catalonians are against independence from Spain than in favour. .
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke Problem is, the people of Catalonia don't appear unified in their desire for independence. Indeed, from what I understand, more Catalonians are against independence from Spain than in favour. .
I'm reminded of the US Revolution. Most did not support the Revolution. The minority fought for their independence.
Most people would rather have "peace" and "security" than fighting for their own survival.
Scotland also comes to mind. Think of all those centuries they spilled their blood to be free, only to later vote "No" centuries later.
Originally posted by @whodey https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/04/can-catalonia-declare-independence-from-spain
Who here supports the right of the people of Catalonia to declare independence from Spain?
In my opinion the response by Spain to the referendum is more a case than anything else. I was initially ambivalent but then the Spanish police beat up 900 people, dragging women by their hair and throwing people down stairs. If I was catalan I wouldn't want to be a part of such a country.
Originally posted by @ashiitaka In my opinion the response by Spain to the referendum is more a case than anything else. I was initially ambivalent but then the Spanish police beat up 900 people, dragging women by their hair and throwing people down stairs. If I was catalan I wouldn't want to be a part of such a country.
That's nothing. Lincoln sent in the troops with about a million dead when it was all said and done.
Collectivists demand unity, or else.....................
Originally posted by @ashiitaka Whodey, that was 1861. This is 2017. The two aren't comparable. Plus, the southerners were allowing slavery. They kind of deserved it.
Right, now we have cell phones so there is no comparison.
Speaking of slavery, is that what the people of Catalonia are now?
Originally posted by @athousandyoung Does California have the right to secede from the USA? Tibet and Taiwan from China? Chechnya from Russia? Crimea from Ukraine?
Generally the answer is no. But South Sudan and Crimea got away with it.
No.
Collectivism is like the mob. You can join, but you can NEVER leave.
Originally posted by @whodey Scotland also comes to mind. Think of all those centuries they spilled their blood to be free, only to later vote "No" centuries later.
You are joking?
Scotland has been free since the late 14th Century. The House of Stuart
ruled an independent Scotland for hundreds of years and then finally
ruled England too to form a United Kingdom.
The Scottish parliament repeatedly asked England for political unity
until it was finally realised in early 1700s.
Originally posted by @athousandyoung Does California have the right to secede from the USA? Tibet and Taiwan from China? Chechnya from Russia? Crimea from Ukraine? Texas from Mexico?
Generally the answer is no. But South Sudan and Crimea got away with it. And Texas.
30 Oct '17 14:31
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