02 Sep 17
http://www.marinij.com/social-affairs/20170824/san-anselmos-san-domenico-school-creates-stir-by-removing-catholic-statues
In California, Catholic institutions are removing statues of Mary and Jesus in order to be more "inclusive" to outsiders.
No doubt, they will be replaced with statues of Marx.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @whodeyAre you suggesting that more Americans would be attracted by a statue of Marx than one of Jesus and Mary? That is interesting indeed but somewhat counterintuitive. Have you never noticed the fire breathing tirades of the Catholic hierarchy against Marxism, not least those Catholic leaders emerging from Poland and the Soviet empire?
http://www.marinij.com/social-affairs/20170824/san-anselmos-san-domenico-school-creates-stir-by-removing-catholic-statues
In California, Catholic institutions are removing statues of Mary and Jesus in order to be more "inclusive" to outsiders.
No doubt, they will be replaced with statues of Marx.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @whodeyHaving said that there are reasons to celebrate Marx in the USA. For example:
http://www.marinij.com/social-affairs/20170824/san-anselmos-san-domenico-school-creates-stir-by-removing-catholic-statues
In California, Catholic institutions are removing statues of Mary and Jesus in order to be more "inclusive" to outsiders.
No doubt, they will be replaced with statues of Marx.
http://nyebevannews.co.uk/the-story-the-republicans-forgot-how-marx-the-british-working-class-helped-abraham-lincoln-defeat-the-slaveholding-confederacy/
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @whodeyHow many statutes of Mary are in your church?
http://www.marinij.com/social-affairs/20170824/san-anselmos-san-domenico-school-creates-stir-by-removing-catholic-statues
In California, Catholic institutions are removing statues of Mary and Jesus in order to be more "inclusive" to outsiders.
No doubt, they will be replaced with statues of Marx.
Apparently you read the headline but not the article. The people who run a private school decided that to draw more non-Catholics to pay the tuition there, it might be a good idea to tone down the obviously Catholic elements of said school. That kinda seems like capitalism in action; the tuition there is almost $30,000 a year and 80% of the families that send their kids there do not identity as Catholics.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @finneganThere are Catholics who are very pro-Marx in Latin America.
Are you suggesting that more Americans would be attracted by a statue of Marx than one of Jesus and Mary? That is interesting indeed but somewhat counterintuitive. Have you never noticed the fire breathing tirades of the Catholic hierarchy against Marxism, not least those Catholic leaders emerging from Poland and the Soviet empire?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_social_teaching
Originally posted by @athousandyoungEven the source you cited does not support what you said. Catholic social teaching is more akin to corporatism and frankly all too adjacent to Fascism, as witnessed in Franco's Spain for example and in Ireland for most of the 20th Century.
There are Catholics who are very pro-Marx in Latin America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_social_teaching
It is true that there are Marxist Catholics and in Latin America there was a tradition of "liberation theology" which took the side of the poor against the rich, but this came into conflict with the Church hierarchy and no Polish Pope was going to stand for a Marxist priesthood for very long.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
03 Sep 17
Originally posted by @finneganPolish pope? We have a Jesuit liberal pope; an Italian-Argentinian.
Even the source you cited does not support what you said. Catholic social teaching is more akin to corporatism and frankly all too adjacent to Fascism, as witnessed in Franco's Spain for example and in Ireland for most of the 20th Century.
It is true that there are Marxist Catholics and in Latin America there was a tradition of "liberation theology" w ...[text shortened]... nd for a Marxist priesthood for very long.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
03 Sep 17
https://www.thoughtco.com/catholic-liberation-theology-in-latin-america-250963
Many are less aware of how deeply Liberation Theology draws upon traditions of Catholic social teaching. Gutiérrez was not only influenced by those teachings, but his writings have in turn influenced what has been taught. Many official church documents have made the vast disparities of wealth important themes of church doctrine and argue that the rich should make more of an effort to help the poor of the world.
03 Sep 17
Originally posted by @finneganHow "fascist" does this sound:
Even the source you cited does not support what you said. Catholic social teaching is more akin to corporatism and frankly all too adjacent to Fascism, as witnessed in Franco's Spain for example and in Ireland for most of the 20th Century.
It is true that there are Marxist Catholics and in Latin America there was a tradition of "liberation theology" w ...[text shortened]... nd for a Marxist priesthood for very long.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
Pope Francis called Friday for governments to redistribute wealth to the poor in a new spirit of generosity to help curb the "economy of exclusion" that is taking hold today.
Francis made the appeal during a speech to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the heads of major U.N. agencies who are meeting in Rome this week."
In reality, this is not new for Pope Francis.
"Francis had a similar message to the World Economic Forum in January and in h is apostolic exhortation "The Joy of the Gospel." That document, which denounced trickle-down economic theories as unproven and naive, provoked criticism in the U.S. that he was Marxist.
https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/pope-francis-legitimate-wealth-distribution
Or this:
1947 The equal dignity of human persons requires the effort to reduce excessive social and economic inequalities.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c2a3.htm
Or:
“The grave financial and economic crises of the present time ... have pushed man to seek satisfaction, happiness and security in consumption and earnings out of all proportion to the principles of a sound economy,” he said.
“The succession of economic crises should lead to a timely rethinking of our models of economic development and to a change in lifestyles,” he said.
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Francis said many places in the world were seeing a “serious rise” in inequality between people living side by side.
He attacked the “widening gap between those who have more and those who must be content with the crumbs”, calling on governments to implement “effective policies” to guarantee people’s fundamental rights, including access to capital, services, educational resources, healthcare and technology.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/12/pope-attacks-mega-salarie_n_4431701.html
Let me guess; he doesn't really mean it.
03 Sep 17
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