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Venuzuala to supply cheap fuel to London, to be used to provide cheap transport.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/4d8e3834-c0d8-11db-bf18-00b5df10621.html

Ken Livingstone and Hugo Chavez. What a team.


Originally posted by Redmike
Venuzuala to supply cheap fuel to London, to be used to provide cheap transport.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/4d8e3834-c0d8-11db-bf18-00b5df10621.html

Ken Livingstone and Hugo Chavez. What a team.
They're almost as formidable as the Joker and Lex Luthor.

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Originally posted by Redmike
Venuzuala to supply cheap fuel to London, to be used to provide cheap transport.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/4d8e3834-c0d8-11db-bf18-00b5df10621.html

Ken Livingstone and Hugo Chavez. What a team.
Will it stick?

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Originally posted by Merk
Will it stick?
You're thinking of tar.

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Originally posted by Redmike
You're thinking of tar.
Well, that's what Venezuelan crude is best for. It's not the good "light sweet" crude like Saudi oil, so maybe I was confused.

What I was wondering about is, can Livingston legally make an agreement like that without approval from the Gubmint.?

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Originally posted by Merk
Well, that's what Venezuelan crude is best for. It's not the good "light sweet" crude like Saudi oil, so maybe I was confused.

What I was wondering about is, can Livingston legally make an agreement like that without approval from the Gubmint.?
I'm not an expert on the different types of fuel, but this is for buses and maybe underground trains, so perhaps this is different from what we use in cars?

I don't see why he can't make this deal without further approval.

Incidentally, it is the SSP's policy to make all public transport in Scotland free.

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Originally posted by Redmike
I'm not an expert on the different types of fuel, but this is for buses and maybe underground trains, so perhaps this is different from what we use in cars?

I don't see why he can't make this deal without further approval.

Incidentally, it is the SSP's policy to make all public transport in Scotland free.
Venezuelan oil can be used in cars too it just takes more refining.

No such thing as free transportation. The money comes out of someones pocket. Might as well be the people using the transportation.

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Originally posted by Merk
Venezuelan oil can be used in cars too it just takes more refining.

No such thing as free transportation. The money comes out of someones pocket. Might as well be the people using the transportation.
Well, I don't agree that it should come out of the pocket of those using it.

Getting people out of cars and onto public transport is in everyone's interests.

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Is this a type of bribe, for the UK's support?

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Originally posted by Redmike
Well, I don't agree that it should come out of the pocket of those using it.

Getting people out of cars and onto public transport is in everyone's interests.
Where practical sure. However, it seems terribly unfair for those whom public transportation does not work for. Why should they have to pay for their own transportation and someone elses while those taking public transportation aren't even paying the full burden for their own transportation?

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Originally posted by Dace Ace
Is this a type of bribe, for the UK's support?
I doubt it.

While Livingstone is back in the New Labour fold, he's no real influence on central government.

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Originally posted by Merk
Where practical sure. However, it seems terribly unfair for those than public transportation does not work for. Why should they have to pay for there own transportation and someone elses while those taking public transportation aren't even paying the full burden for their own transportation?
That's fair enough - you'd need to make sure that the public transport system was available to as many people as practical (no easy matter in Scotland). Which would mean more investment.

Everyone would be contributing, in that their tax would be spent on public transport.

But it wouldn't necessarily need any more tax.

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Originally posted by Redmike
That's fair enough - you'd need to make sure that the public transport system was available to as many people as practical (no easy matter in Scotland). Which would mean more investment.

Everyone would be contributing, in that their tax would be spent on public transport.

But it wouldn't necessarily need any more tax.
I've never been to the U.K. but my impression of Scotland is that of a poulation a little too spread out to lend itself to efficient public transport.

London or any major city with that kind of density makes sense to me, but the more rural areas.... going several miles between stops is generally not good for public transport. That means less paying fares and therefore a bigger tax burden.

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Originally posted by Merk
I've never been to the U.K. but my impression of Scotland is that of a poulation a little too spread out to lend itself to efficient public transport.

London or any major city with that kind of density makes sense to me, but the more rural areas.... going several miles between stops is generally not good for public transport. That means less paying fares and therefore a bigger tax burden.
There is already a huge tax burden on motorists in the UK. The government justifies this by claiming to be encouraging the use of public transport, but the bulk of the revenue raised gets used for building more roads.

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Originally posted by Ian68
There is already a huge tax burden on motorists in the UK. The government justifies this by claiming to be encouraging the use of public transport, but the bulk of the revenue raised gets used for building more roads.
Makes sense to me. Without roads they can't get tax money from motorists.