Cheaters

Consider:

3. YOUR REGISTRATION OBLIGATIONS
...You also agree to :
(b) You will not use chess software, chess computers or consult
any third party to assist you in any game (unless expressly agreed
prior to any game).


Given that cheating is one of the few clear, simple, and obvious
rules about correspondance chess and, especially, a very clearly
stated violation of the rules of this site, what advantage would
RHP have for either publishing the names of its cheaters to the
community, or keeping them private?

I can think of several advantages for publishing them.
1) It tells the community that a 'watch-dog' attitude is being
employed. It brings comfort and reassurance that the games
we play are fair.

2) Similarly, for those against whom the cheating took place,
it serves as a vindication.

3) It tells potential cheaters 'Look out! Cheat at your own peril.'
Cheating non-subscribers have a limited impact (although they
should be dismissed as well), but cheating subscribers who take on
dozens of games and have a dramatic global effect on ratings
on W/L ratios are far more of a concern. If a person knows that
they won't be able to cheat for long, then they may never subscribe
or even join and look for 'easier prey.'

The only disadvantage I see is that the dignity of the cheater is
compromised.

But let's face it: who cares? If you cheated, your dignity was
compromised by your own shameful behavior. Why should
we respect the 'shame' for those who abused our trust and this
site?

Nemesio

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I'm tired. Let me clean up that post, as per your suggestions.

Originally posted by nemesio
I'm tired. Let me clean up that post, as per your suggestions.

Sorry, I thought you wre talking about fidelity!!
Cheating at chess is pointless.

What about people you believe are cheaters? Should they be dragged through the mud even though they may well be innocent? If there is proof of cheating by all means ban the IP. But if it's a mere suspicion isn't privacy allowed?

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
What about people you believe are cheaters? Should they be dragged through the mud even though they may well be innocent? If there is proof of cheating by all means ban the IP. But if it's a mere suspicion isn't privacy allowed?

While I can see many advantages (and some disadvantages) I think the service overhead would be too prohibitive for this site.

If the site itself takes ownership of such "naming and shaming" feature it then takes responsibility for getting it right, getting it wrong could prove too disastrous for it to bear in terms of "costs".

Leaving it for the users to self-police obviates most of those difficulties except when a mis-guided witch-hunt takes place. At which point the most that is usually needed is a clarification post from an admin.

However as regards the cheater's dignity, etc. of keeping a list, if the users decide to keep a list there is little anyone can do about it and therefore little point in trying to maintain dignity with regards to it. 😉

MÅ¥HÅRM

Originally posted by nemesio

But let's face it: who cares? If you cheated, your dignity was
compromised by your own shameful behavior. Why should
we respect the 'shame' for those who abused our trust and this
site?

Nemesio

Because we are to love our neighbour and forgive. If you want vindication, well that's another matter, but what do you really achieve by degrading someone ?

You will never know that for sure unless the cheater will tell you. I will not be surprised that someone like you who'll critisize cheaters is a cheater hisself. I have seen and have met enough people at the internet to be sure that the whole internet is a fake and a fraud world.

Originally posted by pcaspian
Because we are to love our neighbour and forgive. If you want vindication, well that's another matter, but what do you really achieve by degrading someone ?

Originally posted by nemesio


How would it be degrading to an anonymous identity to be
listed (justly) amongst a group of cheaters?

Nemesio

Nemesion : "The only disadvantage I see is that the dignity of the cheater is compromised. "

I see no reason to list cheaters in a forum. This is not justice, this is 'vengeance'. Are you out for vengeance, or justice ?

PS: I replied in the 'who will be saved thread', awaiting response.

cheers

Originally posted by pcaspian
I see no reason to list cheaters in a forum. This is not justice, this is 'vengeance'. Are you out for vengeance, or justice ?

PS: I replied in the 'who will be saved thread', awaiting response.

cheers

A lot of people want (C) to be added to profiles, as strange as it sounds, adding a C to a profile doesnt seem to be as controversial as naming them in the forums although both have the same end result.

I believe the reason for this is that the (C) added to the profile would done almost anonymously where as in the case of naming cheaters in the forums, someone has to come forward and say a name. The person who then come forward is subjected to abuse that has nothing to do with the origional cheating acusation. When I said someone cheated, FGWE because he hated me whipped up a storm around me posting people cheated and my posts were deleted. On the other had if a (C) was added to the peoples profiles there isnt that target for pointless anger to be directed.

I know one of the high rated people who left recently cheated and left for that very reason. Is it wise to say his name now? Or wait for the chess mods to add a (C) to his profile?

Originally posted by nemesio
I listed three reasons why I think it is a good idea.
I also explained why I think the dignity of someone
who has demonstrated a lack of dignity shouldn't be
preserved.

I do not see this as vengeance. How can you have
vengeance against an anonymous handle?

Nemesio

Should you place any value on your handle, negative comments against that handle reflects on you as a person. Ofcourse the cheater may also know people on the site in real life, I certainly know atleast 6 people in RHP in real life and I suspect many others are the same.

You will receive vindication when that person is removed from the site, additional embarrassment is not required.