My government condoned the killing of Jamal Khashoggi by the Saudi Kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45812399
Trump didn't care. We are still allies with the brutal Saudi kingdom, so Biden doesn't care either. The USA and the Saudi kingdom have a symbiotic relationship. Business is more important.
This should not come as a surprise to anyone though. The USA understands that journalists can be pesky and the US government is just as brutal and unforgiving of pesky journalists who expose war criminals in government. The US is not above doing what the Saudi kingdom did to Jamal Khashoggi. The CIA wanted to assassinate Assange.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/sep/27/senior-cia-officials-trump-discussed-assassinating-julian-assange
The reality is that all of the higher echelons of power (on a global scale) are ruthless. That is how they achieved power. Nobody gets that much power unless they are ruthless and willing to sacrifice human life to get there.
That is why powerful governments are run like organized crime syndicates. The meek will not inherit the Earth. They are too ethical to achieve power.
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@metal-brain saidI am pleasantly surprised by your well thought out
My government condoned the killing of Jamal Khashoggi by the Saudi Kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45812399
Trump didn't care. We are still allies with the brutal Saudi kingdom, so Biden doesn't care either. The USA and the Saudi kingdom have a symbiotic relationship. Business is more imp ...[text shortened]... anized crime syndicates. The meek will not inherit the Earth. They are too ethical to achieve power.
and, better still, well sourced post.
Sad to say, the power of petroleum has, too often, played
an important part in our foreign policy especially considering
the repressive regimes we have supported because of
our need for oil....I remember during DESERT STORM how
surprised many of my fellow AMERICANS were to discover
that we were going to war for a country that wouldn't even
allow their women citizenry to drive an automobile.
I can't condone it and I certainly think that the killers of
Khashoggi should be prosecuted, but we know that will never happen.
Often our leaders, as we ourselves, just do the expedient thing....
I do believe, however, that the meek will inherit the earth,
when everyone else is done with it.
@jimm619 saidI agree with much of what you wrote. Petroleum has, too often, played
I am pleasantly surprised by your well thought out
and, better still, well sourced post.
Sad to say, the power of petroleum has, too often, played
an important part in our foreign policy especially considering
the repressive regimes we have supported because of
our need for oil....I remember during DESERT STORM how
surprised many of my fellow AMERICANS were to discove ...[text shortened]... .
I do believe, however, that the meek will inherit the earth,
when everyone else is done with it.
an important part in our foreign policy and there is a reason for that. It isn't really a "need for oil" in the burning of fuel way. Not to say that isn't important too, all modern military are dependent on fuel. I just want to stress the economic importance of the US dollar being used in the buying of petroleum. Here is an article that explains the main reason for these petroleum wars.
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/the-petrodollar-system-and-the-petrodollar-wars-explained/
I'm not sure this quote of yours is accurate though:
"I remember during DESERT STORM how
surprised many of my fellow AMERICANS were to discover
that we were going to war for a country that wouldn't even
allow their women citizenry to drive an automobile."
Desert storm was Iraq. Saddam may have been a brutal dictator, but women had relatively better rights than most nations in that region. I heard women were allowed to drive automobiles in Iraq, were not required to cover their faces in public and often had jobs.
The Saudi Kingdom oppresses females though. They only recently allowed women to drive. Then there are the women being beheaded for sorcery. Weird.
"I do believe, however, that the meek will inherit the earth,
when everyone else is done with it."
Do you mean after a nuclear war?
Since you believe that bible prophecy does that mean you believe in God?
God is a mental construction.
As for the rest of your post, minus the connotation that it's a bloody conspiracy, is spot on.
There are all sorts of lobby groups who influence decision making. There are also interests, resources, international agreements and diplomacy issues that influence decision making.
Fine and well to suggest that the war on Iraq was unjust or that supporting the Saudi's is wrong, but what do you do when petrol prices double? All oil based produce (and that's a lot) becomes a lot more expensive? How's the voter-base going to respond to that?
Or, what do you do when Saudi Arabia decides that it's in its best interest to side with Iran against Israel, instead of the current situation? Or any other meta-political situation which could negatively impact US interests abroad or even at home?
You seem very naieve.
And don't get me wrong. I am opposed to friendly dealings with Saudi Arabia. I was opposed to the Iraq war. But I know the consequences and am prepared to live with them.
Do you?
You seem rather to want to blame the Rothschilds or whoever. Oil companies or whatever.
Imagine breaking off international relationships with Saudi Arabia because they murdered a journalist. What do you think happens? What if the Saudi's then decide to play ball with China (because they sure as poop don't give a rat's arse about a dead journalist).
Prices in the US sore, US influence in the Middle-East is vastly decreased, China is empowered, Israeli children are endangered. Etc.
It's not easy making decisions.
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@metal-brain saidHi Duchess!
My government condoned the killing of Jamal Khashoggi by the Saudi Kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45812399
Trump didn't care. We are still allies with the brutal Saudi kingdom, so Biden doesn't care either. The USA and the Saudi kingdom have a symbiotic relationship. Business is more imp ...[text shortened]... anized crime syndicates. The meek will not inherit the Earth. They are too ethical to achieve power.
Now, back into your cubicle at the troll-farm!
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@metal-brain said''...Desert storm was Iraq. Saddam may have been a brutal dictator, but women had relatively better rights than most nations in that region. I heard women were allowed to drive automobiles in Iraq, were not required to cover their faces in public and often had jobs......''
I agree with much of what you wrote. Petroleum has, too often, played
an important part in our foreign policy and there is a reason for that. It isn't really a "need for oil" in the burning of fuel way. Not to say that isn't important too, all modern military are dependent on fuel. I just want to stress the economic importance of the US dollar being used in the buying of ...[text shortened]... mean after a nuclear war?
Since you believe that bible prophecy does that mean you believe in God?
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We went to war with IRAQ because IRAQ invaded KUWAIT......
KUWAIT did not allow women to drive.
@shavixmir saidThat reminds me of why the USA decided to help France with their Vietnam war. The concise answer is to help French imperialism, but they had to make up an excuse, so they said DeGaulle threatened to join forces with the USSR.
God is a mental construction.
As for the rest of your post, minus the connotation that it's a bloody conspiracy, is spot on.
There are all sorts of lobby groups who influence decision making. There are also interests, resources, international agreements and diplomacy issues that influence decision making.
Fine and well to suggest that the war on Iraq was unjust ...[text shortened]... eased, China is empowered, Israeli children are endangered. Etc.
It's not easy making decisions.
That lame excuse has been used before. It is the excuse to condone evil. Why does the biggest bully on the block need so many allies to the point of caving into evil every time? Ridiculous. The bully is evil too. Isn't it obvious? Yemen genocide. My government is helping Saudi Arabia kill children there. 48,000 starved to death.
All you are doing is confirming that organized crime at the highest levels is reality. You are condoning the starvation of thousands of helpless children. Even the Mafia is not that evil.
@metal-brain saidVery good post, and yes I agree, the CIA will do the same and likely has done the same,
My government condoned the killing of Jamal Khashoggi by the Saudi Kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45812399
Trump didn't care. We are still allies with the brutal Saudi kingdom, so Biden doesn't care either. The USA and the Saudi kingdom have a symbiotic relationship. Business is more imp ...[text shortened]... anized crime syndicates. The meek will not inherit the Earth. They are too ethical to achieve power.
all in the name of GD power.
Saudi Arabia is the 2nd most important US ally in the ME, and yet it was not until 2001
that Saudi women were allowed to get a license to drive an automobile.
Power first. everything else is just bullwhackies
@earl-of-trumps saidThank you.
Very good post, and yes I agree, the CIA will do the same and likely has done the same,
all in the name of GD power.
Saudi Arabia is the 2nd most important US ally in the ME, and yet it was not until 2001
that Saudi women were allowed to get a license to drive an automobile.
Power first. everything else is just bullwhackies
I would have thought the US helping to starve thousands of children to death in Yemen would be enough to wake up people of all political persuasions. My government is evil. Government is committing genocide in our names.
We should all come together and object to this on social media and make it go viral. It doesn't matter if a person is a democrat, republican, socialist, green or libertarian. We should all unite against this evil.
The parasitic elites have been dividing us against each other as much as possible. We need to all unite against them regardless of our differences and show them we will not let them play us against each other any more. We all have a common enemy and we all need to hate them.
@metal-brain saidIt’s not organised crime.
That reminds me of why the USA decided to help France with their Vietnam war. The concise answer is to help French imperialism, but they had to make up an excuse, so they said DeGaulle threatened to join forces with the USSR.
That lame excuse has been used before. It is the excuse to condone evil. Why does the biggest bully on the block need so many allies to the point ...[text shortened]... You are condoning the starvation of thousands of helpless children. Even the Mafia is not that evil.
It’s decision making, when weighing up the options, leading to crimes against humanity.
There is a difference.
Wasn’t it Colin Powell at the UN who once said: “There is always collatoral damage.” ?
Powell should have been arrested anyhoos.
@shavixmir saidCrimes against humanity is not not organized crime?
It’s not organised crime.
It’s decision making, when weighing up the options, leading to crimes against humanity.
There is a difference.
Wasn’t it Colin Powell at the UN who once said: “There is always collatoral damage.” ?
Powell should have been arrested anyhoos.
You already admitted it is a crime. First word in that sentence. Is it organized? Yep! All wars and blockades are organized.
It is organized crime.....moron!
@metal-brain saidUh. No.
Crimes against humanity is not not organized crime?
You already admitted it is a crime. First word in that sentence. Is it organized? Yep! All wars and blockades are organized.
It is organized crime.....moron!
Organised crime is organised crime.
And crimes against humanity is crimes against humanity.
It's not really rocket science, it's in the term itself.
Perhaps look up a dictionary or something for once.
@Earl-of-Trumps - "Saudi Arabia is the 2nd most important US ally in the ME, and yet it was not until 2001
that Saudi women were allowed to get a license to drive an automobile."
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apologies. that was supposed to say 2021, or just last summer.