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  1. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    12 Aug '17 00:16
    So here we are, in 2017, fighting for birth control with an administration that has stocked government agencies with anti-choice fanatics who see contraception as the enemy and funding it as a con. Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price claims “not one” woman has struggled to afford birth control. FDA head Scott Gottlieb opposed the birth-control provisions of the ACA. Title X head Teresa Manning once said that “contraception doesn’t work.” Katy Talento, health-policy aide to the White House Domestic Policy Council, claims contraception leads to infertility and miscarriages. Charmaine Yoest, former head of Americans United for Life and now an assistant HHS secretary, thinks the IUD and emergency contraception are abortifacients. The latest: As Trump promised early in May, the administration is moving to roll back the ACA birth-control provision by allowing any employer to refuse on religious or moral grounds to cover birth control.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-administration-coming-birth-control/
  2. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    12 Aug '17 02:01
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    So here we are, in 2017, fighting for birth control with an administration that has stocked government agencies with anti-choice fanatics who see contraception as the enemy and funding it as a con. Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price claims “not one” woman has struggled to afford birth control. FDA head Scott Gottlieb opposed the birth-control ...[text shortened]... rth control.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-administration-coming-birth-control/
    Yes, it's back to the dark ages, all because women stupidly defer their reproductive decisions to men -- Republican men.
  3. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    12 Aug '17 04:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    As Trump promised early in May, the administration is moving to roll back the ACA birth-control provision by allowing any employer to refuse on religious or moral grounds to cover birth control.
    You say that like it's a bad thing.
  4. 12 Aug '17 05:05
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Yes, it's back to the dark ages, all because women stupidly defer their reproductive decisions to men -- Republican men.
    Decisions to men Suzianne?

    Or to God?

    You are Christian?
  5. 12 Aug '17 06:44
    Originally posted by @sleepyguy
    You say that like it's a bad thing.
    It is if you think an increase in the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions is a bad thing.
  6. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    12 Aug '17 06:46
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    Decisions to men Suzianne?

    Or to God?

    You are Christian?
    What's your point?
  7. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    12 Aug '17 08:40
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    Decisions to men Suzianne?

    Or to God?

    You are Christian?
    God speaks to you Chaney3? Cool.


    Sure doesn't speak through you though.
  8. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    12 Aug '17 08:54
    Originally posted by @sleepyguy
    You say that like it's a bad thing.
    Yes. But then I always saw The Handmaid's Tale as a dsytopia, whereas you may have seen it as a practical how-to guide for policy making.
  9. 12 Aug '17 10:10
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    So here we are, in 2017, fighting for birth control with an administration that has stocked government agencies with anti-choice fanatics who see contraception as the enemy and funding it as a con. Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price claims “not one” woman has struggled to afford birth control. FDA head Scott Gottlieb opposed the birth-control ...[text shortened]... rth control.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-administration-coming-birth-control/
    They violated one of the Golden Rules of Progressivism.

    1. Never question abortion/contraception/gay sex. Less people is always better.

    2. Never question global warming gloom and doom.

    3. Never question the expansion of an all embracing and controlling government.
  10. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    12 Aug '17 11:06
    Originally posted by @whodey
    They violated one of the Golden Rules of Progressivism.

    1. Never question abortion/contraception/gay sex. Less people is always better.

    2. Never question global warming gloom and doom.

    3. Never question the expansion of an all embracing and controlling government.
    1. Never question abortion/contraception/gay sex. Less people is always better.

    You have no concept here that women are autonomous moral adults entitled to make their own choices about their own bodies.

    Your position is authoritarian and oppressive.

    2. Never question global warming gloom and doom.

    The only serious way to question or criticize the scientific evidence of global warming and human induced climate change is to understand and engage with scientific evidence. Well the people refusing to look at scientific evidence are the skeptics and the Trump supporters.

    You refuse to understand statistical concepts like risk, or the notion that while risk may never be the same as certainty it is certainly important enough to make contingency plans better than hiding your heads in the sand. What these plans should be is of course to be democratically decided, but you are not on the side of democracy, are you?

    Other evidence you refuse to accept is that vested interests are working desperately to preserve the illusory asset value of their oil and coal reserves at the expense of , and without concern for, the public good, and the Republicans generally, the Trump administration in particular, are very deeply committed to the antisocial vested interests of the rich.

    You are simply in the pocket of vested interests and too weak to use critical thinking. You open alarming articles on the net and go straight for the panic button because you lack the elementary literacy and thinking skills to question what you are told.

    3. Never question the expansion of an all embracing and controlling government.

    Again the key is not government - that is unavoidable - nor expansion - the Right is keen to continue with corporate welfare and militarism, just not to invest in US citizens. All this "small government" talk is pure baloney and you fall for it every time. Sucker.

    The key is to identify those who want open, honest and accountable government on the one hand and those who are supporting corrupt, unaccountable, discriminatory government in the pockets of the rich in particular and vested interests generally.

    For someone who protests so much about "controlling government", it is impressive how consistently you are on the side of authoritarian politics.

    As part of an open and honest democracy, it would be nice to see the American governmental system respond to the needs of women in less authoritarian and blatantly oppressive ways, but then one despairs at the political awereness of women voters as much as men in that environment.

    Never question - that is your own mantra. Never think. Never apply critical faculties. Repeat endlessly the idiot slogans promoted by your owners.
  11. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    12 Aug '17 11:14
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    1. Never question abortion/contraception/gay sex. Less people is always better.

    You have no concept here that women are autonomous moral adults entitled to make their own choices about their own bodies.

    Your position is authoritarian and oppressive.

    2. Never question global warming gloom and doom.

    The only serious way to que ...[text shortened]... ink. Never apply critical faculties. Repeat endlessly the idiot slogans promoted by your owners.
    Can't feed em? Don't breed em.
  12. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    12 Aug '17 11:25 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    Can't feed em? Don't breed em.
    Eugenics.

    Very popular in the USA.

    Why that fits alongside ignorance about contraception is something to ponder.
  13. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    12 Aug '17 11:26
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    Eugenics.

    Very popular in the USA.
    Nope, another lesson in economics for you.
  14. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    12 Aug '17 11:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    Nope, another lesson in economics for you.
    It's not economics.

    It's libertarian ideology based on the delusion of countless isolated individuals without social relationships.

    It's an atomistic concept - a universe of disconnected individual units - but one in which the atom is not a person, just an economic unit of production, whose utility can be measured in money.
  15. 12 Aug '17 11:31
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    1. Never question abortion/contraception/gay sex. Less people is always better.

    You have no concept here that women are autonomous moral adults entitled to make their own choices about their own bodies.

    Your position is authoritarian and oppressive.

    2. Never question global warming gloom and doom.

    The only serious way to que ...[text shortened]... ink. Never apply critical faculties. Repeat endlessly the idiot slogans promoted by your owners.
    "You have no concept here that women are autonomous moral adults entitled to make their own choices about their own bodies.

    Your position is authoritarian and oppressive."

    The whole issue of abortion is that a baby is still a baby inside the womb. Granted, the Birth Fairy has not swung by to wave her magic wand over the infant to make them human yet as they pass out of the birth canal, but I think you get what I'm saying anyway.

    Genocide is what is oppressive and authoritarian dingus.