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  1. Behind the scenes
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    16 Mar '17 18:261 edit
    The bi partisan House AND Senate Intelligence committees have found no evidence of wiretapping Trump Tower by President Obama. It's one thing to stretch the truth when making campaign promises, or using questionable math when presenting a budget, but getting caught in such an obvious lie in accusing a former President of a felony, calls into question the mental condition of our current President. Any shred of credibility he had has now ended, and fewer people will trust him after this. So, what does Trump do now? Can he continue to govern? Should he? Thoughts?
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    16 Mar '17 18:271 edit
    Originally posted by mchill
    Now that the bi partisan House AND Senate Intelligence committees have found no evidence of wiretapping Trump Tower by President Obama. It's one thing to stretch the truth when making campaign promises, or using questionable math when presenting a budget, but getting caught in such an obvious lie in accusing a former President of a felony, calls into question ...[text shortened]... rust him after this. So, what does Trump do now? Can he continue to govern? Should he? Thoughts?
    Trump has gotten so much farther through sheer bravado and force of will than I ever expected possible that I am starting to believe the Teflon Don will last a full eight years, like vivify says. 😞
  3. Subscriberdivegeester
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    16 Mar '17 18:571 edit
    Originally posted by mchill
    The bi partisan House AND Senate Intelligence committees have found no evidence of wiretapping Trump Tower by President Obama. It's one thing to stretch the truth when making campaign promises, or using questionable math when presenting a budget, but getting caught in such an obvious lie in accusing a former President of a felony, calls into question the ment ...[text shortened]... rust him after this. So, what does Trump do now? Can he continue to govern? Should he? Thoughts?
    It seems to me that many of the people who voted for Trump are so blinded by their hatred of Obama that they will believe anything, even when it's disproven. This is not the end, it's not even the beginning of the end.
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    16 Mar '17 19:19
    Originally posted by mchill
    The bi partisan House AND Senate Intelligence committees have found no evidence of wiretapping Trump Tower by President Obama. It's one thing to stretch the truth when making campaign promises, or using questionable math when presenting a budget, but getting caught in such an obvious lie in accusing a former President of a felony, calls into question the ment ...[text shortened]... rust him after this. So, what does Trump do now? Can he continue to govern? Should he? Thoughts?
    Surveillance or wiretapping? By US officials, officials under Obama?
  5. Standard membershavixmir
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    16 Mar '17 20:30
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Surveillance or wiretapping? By US officials, officials under Obama?
    Oh good grief.

    There is no wire-tapping.

    Obama is not a deep secret counter-democratic terrorist.

    ACA is just an attempt to help poor people get insurance.

    Hillary's emails were a mistake and not an inter-galactic complot to overthrow Western democracy...

    Don't you see it yet?
    You have been screwed.

    But, just incase you're wondering... America is not the greatest nation or democracy on Earth, the planet is not flat and the US armed forces are not invincible.

    However, you may be pleased to know, Springsteen and the E-street band are the greatest live act the planet has ever had the pleasure to witness.

    Feel proud of that what you have!
    Qua politics and morality you are screwed.
  6. Zugzwang
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    16 Mar '17 23:471 edit
    Originally posted by divegeester to Mchill
    It seems to me that many of the people who voted for Trump are so blinded by their hatred of Obama
    that they will believe anything, even when it's disproven. This is not the end, it's not even the beginning of the end.
    Many supporters of Donald Trump obsessively hate many people other than just Barack Obama.
  7. Unknown Territories
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    17 Mar '17 00:31
    Originally posted by mchill
    The bi partisan House AND Senate Intelligence committees have found no evidence of wiretapping Trump Tower by President Obama. It's one thing to stretch the truth when making campaign promises, or using questionable math when presenting a budget, but getting caught in such an obvious lie in accusing a former President of a felony, calls into question the ment ...[text shortened]... rust him after this. So, what does Trump do now? Can he continue to govern? Should he? Thoughts?
    The first problem is your reliance on "bi partisan House AND Senate Intelligence committees" finding their own asses with both hands and a GPS tracking device, let alone anything related to actual intelligence.
    That Trump is a highly skilled player in the game has somehow eluded those with axes to grind, who remain faithful to a script which has been repeatedly been shredded each and every time they think they have him cornered, he makes them look like rank amateurs.

    The game is rigged; has been for years.
    Trump is another in a long line of crooks and swindlers--- the only person the gullible public could actually trust would be dead long before they made good on any of their sincere and necessary platform promises, and the fact that Trump hasn't been treated to the Presidential Limousine Hair Cut is pretty much proof he's at least playing along with the actual powers-that-be.
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    17 Mar '17 00:46
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Oh good grief.

    There is no wire-tapping.

    Obama is not a deep secret counter-democratic terrorist.

    ACA is just an attempt to help poor people get insurance.

    Hillary's emails were a mistake and not an inter-galactic complot to overthrow Western democracy...

    Don't you see it yet?
    You have been screwed.

    But, just incase you're wondering... A ...[text shortened]... ure to witness.

    Feel proud of that what you have!
    Qua politics and morality you are screwed.
    Amen!
  9. Unknown Territories
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    17 Mar '17 00:48
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Oh good grief.

    There is no wire-tapping.

    Obama is not a deep secret counter-democratic terrorist.

    ACA is just an attempt to help poor people get insurance.

    Hillary's emails were a mistake and not an inter-galactic complot to overthrow Western democracy...

    Don't you see it yet?
    You have been screwed.

    But, just incase you're wondering... A ...[text shortened]... ure to witness.

    Feel proud of that what you have!
    Qua politics and morality you are screwed.
    There is no wire-tapping.
    Forgive the entire world for not taking your word on it.

    Obama is not a deep secret counter-democratic terrorist.
    You are correct: it is no secret at all.

    ACA is just an attempt to help poor people get insurance.
    Because there is really no way this was nothing more than a thinly-veiled campaign to enrich any corporations or industries, right?

    Hillary's emails were a mistake and not an inter-galactic complot to overthrow Western democracy...
    Ouch.

    But, just incase you're wondering... America is not the greatest nation or democracy on Earth...
    Name a better one.

    the planet is not flat
    Again, forgive the entire world for not taking your word on it.

    and the US armed forces are not invincible.
    No one ever is, but currently the only real foe is its own complacency and arrogance--- and that's not the men and women in the rank and file, but the leaders who have us policing the entire world.

    However, you may be pleased to know, Springsteen and the E-street band are the greatest live act the planet has ever had the pleasure to witness.
    Except for "Nebraska," and maybe "Greetings from Asbury Park, N.J.," Springsteen pretty much sucks.

    Qua politics and morality you are screwed.
    Whatever your "qua politics" is intended, I wonder what morality you deem (and practice) which is supposedly superior?
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    17 Mar '17 05:21
    Originally posted by mchill
    The bi partisan House AND Senate Intelligence committees have found no evidence of wiretapping Trump Tower by President Obama. It's one thing to stretch the truth when making campaign promises, or using questionable math when presenting a budget, but getting caught in such an obvious lie in accusing a former President of a felony, calls into question the ment ...[text shortened]... rust him after this. So, what does Trump do now? Can he continue to govern? Should he? Thoughts?
    He lied continuously all through his campaign. You expected something different now?

    Waking his blind supporters to this is simply a public service. His supporters simply cannot afford to believe his lies about Trumpcare and other Republican welfare for the 1%.

    "Thank you sir! May I have another!?!"
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    17 Mar '17 05:23
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    [b]There is no wire-tapping.
    Forgive the entire world for not taking your word on it.

    Obama is not a deep secret counter-democratic terrorist.
    You are correct: it is no secret at all.

    ACA is just an attempt to help poor people get insurance.
    Because there is really no way this was nothing more than a thinly-veiled campaign to enr ...[text shortened]... itics" is intended, I wonder what morality you deem (and practice) which is supposedly superior?[/b]
    Your ignorance actually does "go down to the bone", doesn't it?
  12. Standard membershavixmir
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    17 Mar '17 06:07
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    [b]There is no wire-tapping.
    Forgive the entire world for not taking your word on it.

    Obama is not a deep secret counter-democratic terrorist.
    You are correct: it is no secret at all.

    ACA is just an attempt to help poor people get insurance.
    Because there is really no way this was nothing more than a thinly-veiled campaign to enr ...[text shortened]... itics" is intended, I wonder what morality you deem (and practice) which is supposedly superior?[/b]
    You know, your ignorance is teetering on the brink of moronity.
    But suggesting that Born to run, Darkness on the edge of town, the Wild, the innocent & the E-street shuffle and the River are not a few of the greatest albums ever made is basically slinging yourself off a cliff.

    That being said, I was on about LIVE shows...
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    17 Mar '17 06:57
    Originally posted by mchill
    Any shred of credibility he had has now ended,
    He never had a shred of credibility.
    If I recall correctly, you started a thread in which you said we should give him six months before we judge him. What changed?
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    17 Mar '17 07:04
    Originally posted by divegeester
    It seems to me that many of the people who voted for Trump are so blinded by their hatred of Obama that they will believe anything, even when it's disproven.
    Not so at all. Its more the case that republicans in general have a culture which is very accepting of lies and untruths and they are not blinded to the point of believing anything, they simply don't care whether or not something is true. They get a kick out of saying and supporting obviously false things and watching people react to it. They are basically trolls. I guess that is partly because many republicans are YECs who are used to making outlandish claims and being ridiculed for it - sticking to the party line however ridiculous it may sound.
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    17 Mar '17 09:28
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    You know, your ignorance is teetering on the brink of moronity.
    But suggesting that Born to run, Darkness on the edge of town, the Wild, the innocent & the E-street shuffle and the River are not a few of the greatest albums ever made is basically slinging yourself off a cliff.

    That being said, I was on about LIVE shows...
    Meh.
    Gomez live is hard to beat.
    Earth, Wind & Fire live, hard to beat.
    Springsteen will forever be weighed down to anthem rock--- which is played out with the precision and predictability of a karaoke show night after night, a parody of manufactured nostalgia.
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