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At 10:14, after a very providing a lot of very impressive cartoon drawings - he ends up stating that "I don't have the solutions" -- the best he can offer is that we have to "change our mode of thinking".
If you were elected president of the USA - and you promised during your campaign that you would indeed "change Americans' mode of thing" -- what specific policies would you put forth? What amendments would you propose we should add to the Constitution? What kind of US foreign policy would you propose?
Or would you be in the same boat as David Harvey -- where we don't really have any solutions yet?
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by MelanerpesThe solution is simple. Destroy the capitalist system entirely in favor of a state run system. After all, they do such a good job with everything else they do.
At 10:14, after a very providing a lot of very impressive cartoon drawings - he ends up stating that "I don't have the solutions" -- the best he can offer is that we have to "change our mode of thinking".
If you were elected president of the USA - and you promised during your campaign that you would indeed "change Americans' mode of thing" -- what spec ...[text shortened]... ou be in the same boat as David Harvey -- where we don't really have any solutions yet?
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by whodeyActually, Adam Warlock seems to agree with you that the statists are a major part of the problem, and that he'd prefer to see the state whither.
The solution is simple. Destroy the capitalist system entirely in favor of a state run system. After all, they do such a good job with everything else they do.
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by whodeyHas anyone e-mailed the White House concerning your subversive tone? 😀
It's anarchy!!!
Has anyone e-mailed the White House concerning his subversive tone?
Anyway -- I'd be very interested in comparing and contrasting your vision and Adam's vision of what an anti-statist America would look like.
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by MelanerpesWe don't have full solutions, but David Harvey has provided some partial answers on another venues. It's just a matter of you doing research on youtube or in his website.
At 10:14, after a very providing a lot of very impressive cartoon drawings - he ends up stating that "I don't have the solutions" -- the best he can offer is that we have to "change our mode of thinking".
If you were elected president of the USA - and you promised during your campaign that you would indeed "change Americans' mode of thing" -- what spec ...[text shortened]... ou be in the same boat as David Harvey -- where we don't really have any solutions yet?
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by adam warlockI am supposing that YOU have been elected president. Not David Harvey or anyone else who may have presentation on you tube or a book posted on some website. If YOU were elected president, given the current state of Marxist theory and your interpretation of it - what policies would YOU pursue?
We don't have full solutions, but David Harvey has provided some partial answers on another venues. It's just a matter of you doing research on youtube or in his website.
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by MelanerpesLet me start by saying that I'm not a Marxist. And I also fail to see the point of this exercise, but I'll play along.
I am supposing that YOU have been elected president. Not David Harvey or anyone else who may have presentation on you tube or a book posted on some website. If YOU were elected president, given the current state of Marxist theory and your interpretation of it - what policies would YOU pursue?
The hold of economic power in politic power is the first thing that needs to be done away with. I'd go for workers control of the means of production. Real workers control: I'm not interested in the leninist way of "workers" control and I also think that people should stop caring for what they desire and should stop caring for what they need.
I'd also go with a Bookchin way to do things. Something between a municipalist/federalist way of organizing things.
IncidentallyI think something like this would be a lot easier to achieve on a so called uninvolved country than in a country like the US of A.
06 Jul 10
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Originally posted by adam warlockThe point of this exercise is to focus on coming up with actual policies that could reduce the amount of injustice that currently exists. If you can offer something useful that's different from the usual Democrat vs Republican garbage, I'm sure lots of Americans would be very glad to hear it.
Let me start by saying that I'm not a Marxist. And I also fail to see the point of this exercise, but I'll play along.
The hold of economic power in politic power is the first thing that needs to be done away with. I'd go for workers control of the means of production. Real workers control: I'm not interested in the leninist way of "workers" control t easier to achieve on a so called uninvolved country than in a country like the US of A.
With this in mind:
1. what policies would you propose that would allow workers to have more control over the means of production?
2. what policies would you propose that would move things towards a municipalist way of organizing things?
and most importantly, how would you go about convincing a majority of the members of Congress members to vote for your proposals? Or to convince lots of Americans to vote the current members of Congress out of office in favor of someone willing to move forward with your proposals?
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by MelanerpesThe point is to give the power progressively, and in a responsible , to the people. If I'm not mistaken it was ringwet who had a real good program to achieve these things.
The point of this exercise is to focus on coming up with actual policies that could reduce the amount of injustice that currently exists. If you can offer something useful that's different from the usual Democrat vs Republican garbage, I'm sure lots of Americans would be very glad to hear it.
With this in mind:
1. what policies would you propose th ...[text shortened]... ers of Congress out of office in favor of someone willing to move forward with your proposals?
Ringwet if you're there, could you please link to the page in question or spell it out again.
06 Jul 10
The problem isn't with captialism. The problem is spending more money than you have. A country can never survive if it is going to tax those who work to subsidize those who do not. The reason is that you diminish what you tax and you increase what you subsidize. It is only a matter of time before those riding in the cart are going to be too much for those who are pushing and pulling it.
06 Jul 10
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Originally posted by adam warlockRwingett is very big on the idea of "buying local" and "buying small" -- doing business with companies that aren't faceless international corporations.
The point is to give the power progressively, and in a responsible , to the people. If I'm not mistaken it was ringwet who had a real good program to achieve these things.
Ringwet if you're there, could you please link to the page in question or spell it out again.
It's sort of like eating at a local pizza place where the owner of the restaurant is often present interacting with the workers and the customers and members of the community - as opposed to eating mass-produced cardboard at Pizza Hut or Dominoes where the owners live far far away.
Perhaps a plan could be put into place that would give special preferences to these local businesses so that they would have a better chance at staying in business against a big corporation which can offer cheaper prices and tons of advertising but little else.
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by MelanerpesI remember him talking to Seitse and his plan was very objective, clear and perfectly doable. I'm just too lazy too look it up...
Rwingett is very big on the idea of "buying local" and "buying small" -- doing business with companies that aren't faceless international corporations.
It's sort of like eating at a local pizza place where the owner of the restaurant is often present interacting with the workers and the customers and members of the community - as opposed to eating mass ...[text shortened]... a big corporation which can offer cheaper prices and tons of advertising but little else.