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All this talk about whether or not the investigation into Trump and Russia had political bias and no talk about what started the whole investigation. News reports like this one from politico make no mention of how it got started.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/09/trump-claims-victory-justice-department-079210

This is where Crossfire Hurricane comes in. Here is an excerpt from wikipedia.

"The investigation was officially opened on July 31, 2016, initially due to information on Trump campaign member George Papadopoulos's early knowledge of Russians having damaging material on Donald Trump's rival candidate Hillary Clinton."

According to wikipedia this was started by Joseph Mifsud. Here are a couple of excepts from the link below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mifsud

"Papadopoulos and some critics of the investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 campaign have asserted that Mifsud was actually a Western intelligence operative who was instructed to entrap Papadopoulos in order to justify the investigation."

"According to a filing in a U.S. federal court in the case Democratic National Committee v. Russian Federation in September 2018, Mifsud was "missing and may be deceased". Mifsud's whereabouts were unknown and he could not be served with the complaint.[42] He spoke to his girlfriend on 31 October 2017. The next day an Italian newspaper revealed that the "professor" referred to in news reports about Papadopoulos was Mifsud, and she has not heard from him since then."

Are these excerpts from wikipedia true?

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@metal-brain said
All this talk about whether or not the investigation into Trump and Russia had political bias and no talk about what started the whole investigation. News reports like this one from politico make no mention of how it got started.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/09/trump-claims-victory-justice-department-079210

This is where Crossfire Hurricane comes in. Here i ...[text shortened]... s was Mifsud, and she has not heard from him since then."

Are these excerpts from wikipedia true?
As a criterion of newsworthiness, truth has left the station.

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@js357 said
As a criterion of newsworthiness, truth has left the station.
Truth is not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

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@js357 said
As a criterion of newsworthiness, truth has left the station.
What is the truth?

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@metal-brain said
What is the truth?
Wittgenstein said the truth is that which is the case.*

I take this to imply that the truth is what IS, not what is SAID to be. What is SAID to be is already at one remove from what is the truth, having been SAID to be, even by an agreed truth SAYER.

*Or did he? Didn’t he say that of a fact?

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@js357 said
Wittgenstein said the truth is that which is the case.*

I take this to imply that the truth is what IS, not what is SAID to be. What is SAID to be is already at one remove from what is the truth, having been SAID to be, even by an agreed truth SAYER.

*Or did he? Didn’t he say that of a fact?
In other words you only know what you don't want to believe, not what is true.

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Does it matter?

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@Metal-Brain
Here is some OBVIOUS fake news for you to swallow:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/12/9/21003503/ig-report-doj-russia-horowitz-carter-page

All you have to do is watch Barr's rebuttal, he MUST be telling the truth, right?
He is SUCH a truthful guy, SO independent.

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@sonhouse said
@Metal-Brain
Here is some OBVIOUS fake news for you to swallow:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/12/9/21003503/ig-report-doj-russia-horowitz-carter-page

All you have to do is watch Barr's rebuttal, he MUST be telling the truth, right?
He is SUCH a truthful guy, SO independent.
Mifsud isn't mentioned at all in that article. It is like all the others that assert a conclusion without explaining anything. Just like WMDs in Iraq, you have to have a leap in faith that you are not being lied to.

Was Mifsud's name mentioned in the recent report? If not, why? If so, what did it say?

https://www.newsweek.com/joseph-mifsud-professor-who-brokered-russia-papadopoulos-meetings-may-be-dead-1112474

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/405672-dnc-lawyers-papadopoulos-uk-contact-may-be-dead

So here you have this guy that started the whole thing that has never been questioned because nobody can find him. He may even be dead. Isn't this news worthy enough for the nightly TV news? People like a good mystery to entertain them too. Nothing on 48 Hours? Don't you think that is odd?

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@metal-brain said
In other words you only know what you don't want to believe, not what is true.
I think He’s saying subjective truth does not / cannot exist by virtue of it being subjected to the subjects subjectivity.
There may be such a thing as objective truth but it can only be observed and communicated subjectively.
IMSO.

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@kevcvs57 said
I think He’s saying subjective truth does not / cannot exist by virtue of it being subjected to the subjects subjectivity.
There may be such a thing as objective truth but it can only be observed and communicated subjectively.
IMSO.
Why is Mifsud omitted from the news media? Did they find him or is he dead? He started the whole damn thing!

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@metal-brain said
Mifsud isn't mentioned at all in that article. It is like all the others that assert a conclusion without explaining anything. Just like WMDs in Iraq, you have to have a leap in faith that you are not being lied to.

Was Mifsud's name mentioned in the recent report? If not, why? If so, what did it say?

https://www.newsweek.com/joseph-mifsud-professor-who-brokered-ru ...[text shortened]... People like a good mystery to entertain them too. Nothing on 48 Hours? Don't you think that is odd?
The report verified what Mifsud said to Papadopoulos and debunked right wing claims that the Professor was an FBI confidential human source or some sort of intelligence asset used by the "Deep State" to entrap the Trump campaign.

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@no1marauder said
The report verified what Mifsud said to Papadopoulos and debunked right wing claims that the Professor was an FBI confidential human source or some sort of intelligence asset used by the "Deep State" to entrap the Trump campaign.
why don't you tell us where Mifsud is so we can ask him?

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@mott-the-hoople said
why don't you tell us where Mifsud is so we can ask him?
I don't know where he is; he's laying low.

He did send audiotapes to Italian media outlets a month ago according to Buzzfeed News.

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@metal-brain said
Why is Mifsud omitted from the news media? Did they find him or is he dead? He started the whole damn thing!
In your very subjective opinion, you don’t seem to need a shred of evidence let alone objective truth to create your subjective truth, the truth seems to be whatever you’d like it to be.