Originally posted by StarValleyWy
Like wow. that is a surprise. You don't even see that his point of view is the deliberate act of denying one of five senses to a child.
Yes. I see that. That is the point!
Let me ask you this: let's say a child raises a kid and teaches him
that a magical book is 100% literally true and all people who disagree
with that book are going to burn in hell.
This is post-partum formation that changes a child's life. By brain-washing
a child, you are denying a great deal more than five senses; you are denying
them the ability to think.
Would you make this illegal? If not, then why would denying the child hearing
be any different. You are making a decision which impacts the child for the
rest of its life. However, asking any born-deaf person whether they feel 'deprived,'
almost invariably, they will answer that they do not. In fact, they will maintain
that they enriched by their deafness.
Further more, who says that having 'all five senses' is a good thing? People
with all five senses, that's who. People with all five senses should not be
making judgments about people born with four senses. Sure, sure, you can
nod your head, and give a knowing look and claim, 'Well they are just making
lemon juice out of lemons,' but such arrogant perspectives have no currency
with me.
Nemesio
Originally posted by ivanhoeIvanhoe : I consider this a crime
No1: " Should these people go to jail as Ivanhoe wants ..... "
I never said that.
A crime is punishable by jail time where I come from. Is it different in your neck of the woods? Or were you using a non-standard definition of the word "crime"?
Originally posted by NemesioYou ask too much.
Originally posted by StarValleyWy
[b]Like wow. that is a surprise. You don't even see that his point of view is the deliberate act of denying one of five senses to a child.
Yes. I see that. That is the point!
Let me ask you this: let's say a child raises a kid and teaches him
that a magical book is 100% literally true and all people ...[text shortened]... mon juice out of lemons,' but such arrogant perspectives have no currency
with me.
Nemesio[/b]
Intentionally denying someone the power to ascertain that a bus is behind him is crazy, they are not with the parents 24/7, nor will they be with them forever.
Originally posted by StarValleyWy
You would too. You are just the right mix of ego and non-thought to do exactly as they did. In my opinion.
Your arrogance is 10 time beyond what you claim #1 has.
Who are you trying to kid? Are we supposed to not notice that you think everyone has the absolute right to do as THEY please? Do you really deny that you are the center of the universe? I doubt it. You have stated over and over that there are NO LIMITS. THAT WHATEVER A PERSON DOES IS JUST FINE. Name a single post EVER where you have said that there are limits to human behaviour. I dare you.
Find where I say that I believe that there are 'no limits.' Find where I
say I believe 'that whatever a person does is just fine.'
I do not deign to tell people what is ordained from on high to be right
and wrong. I am not going to take an authoritative position. I can only
argue what I think is right and hope that the logic I use is the best possible.
And I don't care so much when people agree with me, but if they use
reason to get there.
There are a lot of things in the world that I think are wrong and that I
never do (for example, drugs), but I am not going to insist that people
agree with me and pass a law to make it illegal. I believe that people
have a wider degree of latitude to do themselves harm than most people.
I'm not going to entertain another one of your rants. I'm unclear why
I am the object of your disdain, but I tire of your pontificating arrogance.
When you say something of merit, I will comment, but expect me to
ignore you as a general rule from now on.
And, please, feel free to call me 'chicken.' That sort of posturing is very
popular with the chimps.
Nemesio
Originally posted by KneverKnightDo I need to give another example of ways in which countless parents
You ask too much.
Intentionally denying someone the power to ascertain that a bus is behind him is crazy, they are not with the parents 24/7, nor will they be with them forever.
ruin their children? Like, say for example, a child of a mother who is
abused by the father?
Do you think that these other parents ought not to be allowed to have
children (i.e., make their efforts to procreate illegal)?
Originally posted by NemesioExcuse me for ignoring this post and the post that prompted it
Originally posted by StarValleyWy
[b]You would too. You are just the right mix of ego and non-thought to do exactly as they did. In my opinion.
Your arrogance is 10 time beyond what you claim #1 has.
Who are you trying to kid? Are we supposed to not notice that you think everyone has the absolute right to do as THEY please? Do you really ...[text shortened]... ree to call me 'chicken.' That sort of posturing is very
popular with the chimps.
Nemesio
Originally posted by Nemesio[/b]My arrogance? The dumb alcoholic know nothing who has never done anything of value in his life? That arrogance?
Originally posted by StarValleyWy
[b]You would too. You are just the right mix of ego and non-thought to do exactly as they did. In my opinion.
Your arrogance is 10 time beyond what you claim #1 has.
Who are you trying ...[text shortened]... hat sort of posturing is very
popular with the chimps.
Nemesio
You have never corrected yourself. You have never changed a position. You are locked into your "value" as a warrior who will not change.
A good and valuable warrior will always change when a better notion is broached.
I see you didn't offer a single example of your "changing" or "giving in".
I offer my constant agreement that religious people are as right as I am. I offer you the notion that I have never been right in my life. I don't think that is too bad of a thing. The universe is too big for me to claim that I understand it. I don't.
What say you? Have you ever had to reassess a point of view? If so... what was it. Give us an example. If you can.
Originally posted by NemesioOK fine, but not by design
Do I need to give another example of ways in which countless parents
ruin their children? Like, say for example, a child of a mother who is
abused by the father?
Do you think that these other parents ought not to be allowed to have
children (i.e., make their efforts to procreate illegal)?
They made a deaf kid on purpose.
He can't hear things behind him, (like a truck speeding) because his parents wanted to "relate" to him. Nice.
Originally posted by StarValleyWy
My arrogance? The dumb alcoholic know nothing who has never done anything of value in his life? That arrogance?
False humility is a form of arrogance.
An old saying that I just made up.
You have never corrected yourself. You have never changed a position. You are locked into your "value" as a warrior who will not change.
This is not true. A recent example is in the debates forum regarding
the decision of our Attorney General to appeal a decision by a Pittsburgh
judge. This was no more than two weeks ago.
I offer my constant agreement that religious people are as right as I am. I offer you the notion that I have never been right in my life. I don't think that is too bad of a thing. The universe is too big for me to claim that I understand it. I don't.
I will never make the claim that I have 'never been right,' because when
asked what 2+2 =, I will answer 4 and be right. There are things we can
know with certainty, there are things we can be fairly sure of, and there are
things that we are just guessing about. I've never, for example, asserted
any religious belief upon someone else. I've only questioned the beliefs
asserted by other people.
Your claim, of course, is another example of playing the martyr, false piety.
'Oh, I've never been right...' boo hoo hoo. Well, enjoy your wallowing in
self-debasement. For my part, I've been right some, and I've been wrong
plenty, and there's a lot of stuff I don't know. I openly invite people to
find flaws with my beliefs, and many do -- Cribs, RC and #1 most notably.
I am deeply appreciative of their efforts.
Your childish -- no, chimpish -- tirades about how 'Nemesio always thinks
he's right,' is both baseless and tiresome, and, having been provided with
a recent example, I look forward to your relinquishing of this position that
you believe is right and moving on with your life.
Nemesio
Originally posted by KneverKnightYou have it stuck in your head about design.
OK fine, but not by [b]design
They made a deaf kid on purpose.
He can't hear things behind him, (like a truck speeding) because his parents wanted to "relate" to him. Nice.[/b]
How is trying to have a deaf child and trying to have
a mindless automaton any different? One is trying to
optimize a genetic design, the other is trying to optimize
a psychological design.
These parents have a 50% chance. How many children
of cultist fundamentalists (and I mean the real nutjobs,
not the relatively civil people here at RHP, I mean the
absolute crazy people) escape from their brainwashing?
Do you think it's 50%? I don't. I'd be surprised if it were
5%.
Nemesio