@Cliff-Mashburn saidHave you moved?
Isn't Europe where all the gays, lesbians, and leftists come from?
@Cliff-Mashburn saidNo. There have been people of all kind all over the world.
Isn't Europe where all the gays, lesbians, and leftists come from?
But I think some people of European descent seem to consider themselves the only "real" Americans. (as opposed to the people who lived there when the Europeans arrived)
@Cliff-Mashburn saidYou mean where all your venerated founding father's came from?
Isn't Europe where all the gays, lesbians, and leftists come from?
@kmax87 saidWell I'm not sure about the minerals being a factor. I read somewhere that with ice, cold, lack of roads etc that extraction would be tough going. I think the main draw for Trump is geographic. He wants a toe hold in the Arctic from which the US can protect ourselves and (the unreliable) Canada from missile attack with his golden dome project. Just look at a globe staring straight down at the North pole and it's clear. Living where I do, I like the idea. And yes, I agree one would think we could work with a NATO ally to achieve it, but does Trump trust them? Europe has been working against him as he tries to negotiate an agreement to end the Ukraine war, even as they try to keep the US on the hook for security guarantees. They're a bunch of entitled back stabbers.
Especially since America has all the access it needs in Greenland in terms of deploying bases and troops. And I am sure if he had even an ounce of actual negotiating skills Denmark would more than likely work out a way for America to extract all the mineral wealth it needs as any friendly NATO ally would allow.
@Sleepyguy saidWhatever Europe is reflecting at him, you would have to acknowledge that his all caps truth social diplomacy has damaged relations and his demand and bully approach has heckled way too may feathers.
Well I'm not sure about the minerals being a factor. I read somewhere that with ice, cold, lack of roads etc that extraction would be tough going. I think the main draw for Trump is geographic. He wants a toe hold in the Arctic from which the US can protect ourselves and (the unreliable) Canada from missile attack with his golden dome project. Just look at a globe staring s ...[text shortened]... y try to keep the US on the hook for security guarantees. They're a bunch of entitled back stabbers.
Whether you believe the Europeans deserve that approach or not, its still not a negotiating strategy to publicly belittle and denigrate your partners who have been part of a very long term relationship and treaty. Its boorish and uncouth and I am not sure what grievance he holds that justifies this public misbehavior.
The fact that he is that paranoid about security is evidence that even he must be aware that destroying almost every facet of soft power to mold and influence and manufacture consent has negative consequences. Trump sees America's greatness as a zero sum game, and that's where he is wrong.
@Ponderable saidWhen Americans say 'Real Americans' they refer to a lifestyle and a philosophy and very little to do with race or country of origin. Some of these features from the top of my head are like ..
No. There have been people of all kind all over the world.
But I think some people of European descent seem to consider themselves the only "real" Americans. (as opposed to the people who lived there when the Europeans arrived)
- conservative religious values
- strong family ties
- minimal feminist leanings
- absence of sexual deviants
- freedom to possess firearms
- homestead / ranch living
- muscle cars and big rigs
- outdoor neighbourhood barbeques
In other words .. the good life. This is in stark contrast to say .. 'life in gay Paris'.
@Sleepyguy saidFrom what I read up recently about NATO, is that not all members were contributing their fair share of the cost of this arrangement. On average it was supposed to be 2% of the GDP of each member state should go into defense expenditure. Particularly Denmark was a culprit and they were riding on the backs of the stronger nations. The US crossed that 2% easily, and in effect the US was the military might contributing as much as 70% of NATOs firepower.
Well I'm not sure about the minerals being a factor. I read somewhere that with ice, cold, lack of roads etc that extraction would be tough going. I think the main draw for Trump is geographic. He wants a toe hold in the Arctic from which the US can protect ourselves and (the unreliable) Canada from missile attack with his golden dome project. Just look at a globe staring s ...[text shortened]... y try to keep the US on the hook for security guarantees. They're a bunch of entitled back stabbers.
Although Im not in agreement with Trump disturbing these European pussy countries, as there are real benefits in keep them as allies, if I were in charge of Denmark, I would say .. .. here pal, have it, and just look after the indigenous people, and use it to protect yourself and NATO .. and thanks for 75 years of protection from those Russian scumbags.
Europe is nothing without the USA, when it comes to defense.
@fornichessate removed their quoted postErm, NATO’s Article 5 has been invoked once… in support of the US shortly after September 11, 2001. (Going beyond mere words).
'NATO launched operation “Eagle Assist,” its first anti-terror operation, and the first deployment of NATO military assets. Seven NATO AWACS (the world-renowned radar aircraft) were flown by 830 crew members of 13 nationalities to patrol and protect American skies. A second operation to deter terrorist activities on the waters of the Eastern Mediterranean, dubbed “Operation Active Endeavor,” soon followed. In addition, the North Atlantic Council unanimously adopted eight measures to promote intelligence-sharing, increase security, backfill assets, and provide further support against terrorist activities.'
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/nato-article-5-and-911
@fornichessate removed their quoted postI can only speak in relation to the UK, and that is certainly not the case here (historically).
And as per my previous post, hasn't Europe already demonstrated it is a cooperative ally and not anti-American by the example given?