@ponderable saidVivify. 'Nuff said.
The source determines the Facts displayed. As has been exemplified by vivify
@averagejoe1 saidBecause there was no coup attempt. It was a straight-up obstruction of justice by nearly every Republican in the House hearings on impeachment. You can put spin on it all day long, and tell your little fairy tales to your ignorant base, but at the end of the day, they should all go to prison for obstruction of justice. And this has zero to do with any fabricated "coup attempt".
MG. this is pressing. Criminal Conspiracy.
if Biden is elected. all of these people go free. Why, we will not get a return on our $30M investment in the coup attempt!
@mott-the-hoople saidSpeaking of insane.....
you people are insane.
Dexamethasone, the steroid that Trump is being treated with, has some serious side effects.
From a mental perspective.
Giving it to a patient that is bonkers half the time already is exceedingly risky.
Trump is out of control heading an administration that is already a dumpster fire.
Should he even be leading the country ?
@suzianne saidThe move(s) to remove Trump as President would make a more proper phrase, now that I think about it. Sorry Suzianne...the wordsmith!!!!!
Because there was no coup attempt. It was a straight-up obstruction of justice by nearly every Republican in the House hearings on impeachment. You can put spin on it all day long, and tell your little fairy tales to your ignorant base, but at the end of the day, they should all go to prison for obstruction of justice. And this has zero to do with any fabricated "coup attempt".
@mghrn55 saidWe learn so much. From you, of course. Glad you are here. Can you fill us in on Brennan CIA Director , who personally wrote hand written notes to tie Trump to Russia, written right after he briefed Obama, show Clinton stirring up the scandal to distract from her email scandal, and OBAMA KNEW ALL ABOUT IT! And tell us why ABC< CBS and NBC reported nothing on it yesterday? Can you imagine the mind-set that made that decision? MG?
Speaking of insane.....
Dexamethasone, the steroid that Trump is being treated with, has some serious side effects.
From a mental perspective.
Giving it to a patient that is bonkers half the time already is exceedingly risky.
Trump is out of control heading an administration that is already a dumpster fire.
Should he even be leading the country ?
You and sidekick Suzianne surely know everything and can keep us up to date as alll this unfolds. Pretty cool that you picked up the fact that drugs have side effects. Did you already know how to spell that particular drug?
@averagejoe1 saidOf course it is. Selective fact reporting can be worse than outright lies because it can create a false narrative that seems true and is hard to disprove.
if it is fact, the source is hardly an issue.
For example, as shown earlier, Trump conveniently left the response to whether there was evidence of Russian collusion redacted; he did this because he's trying to make the investigation seem like a "hoax", and he can't do that if releases evidence of collusion.
Trump and Fox News are selectively releasing information to create a lie. The source most definitely matters.
@averagejoe1 saidhttps://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/brennan-ratcliffe-declassifying-intelligence-clinton-russia/index.html
Can you fill us in on Brennan CIA Director , who personally wrote hand written notes to tie Trump to Russia, written right after he briefed Obama, show Clinton stirring up the scandal to distract from her email scandal, and OBAMA KNEW ALL ABOUT IT! And tell us why ABC< CBS and NBC reported nothing on it yesterday?
Former CIA director John Brennan on Tuesday accused current intelligence chief John Ratcliffe of selectively declassifying documents ahead of the November election that benefit President Donald Trump
And that's from Brennan himself. This is how worthless conservative media is, when even the person they quote accuses them of dishonestly covering information.
@vivify saidBut note that you say '...he did this Because'. This is inherent in all liberals, you always say why someone does something. If he thought of a good reason while in the shower, were you in there with him? When was his reason divulged to you? Makes for awkward reading for us conservatives. He did it because!!! Really?
Of course it is. Selective fact reporting can be worse than outright lies because it can create a false narrative that seems true and is hard to disprove.
For example, as shown earlier, Trump conveniently left the response to whether there was evidence of Russian collusion redacted; he did this because he's trying to make the investigation seem like a "hoax", and he can' ...[text shortened]... ox News are selectively releasing information to create a lie. The source most definitely matters.
@vivify saidHere is Vivify again. You and Suzianne et al have simply got to come to grips, face the facts. If John Brennan wrote notes, in his handwriting, originals, covered with his DNA, they are factual notes in and of themselves. We can stipulate to that, can we not? Sure would help with the debate.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/brennan-ratcliffe-declassifying-intelligence-clinton-russia/index.html
Former CIA director John Brennan on Tuesday accused current intelligence chief John Ratcliffe of selectively declassifying documents ahead of the November election that benefit President Donald Trump
And that's from Brennan himself. This is how worthless ...[text shortened]... ervative media is, when even the person they quote accuses them of dishonestly covering information.
I dont know about 'selectively' producing the notes, but, what difference does that make? If I have a sack of bad apples and pull one out and show it to you, selecting it,,,,,here is this bad apple. What in the heck has it got to do with the other apples? My analogies sometimes amaze me. They should amaze you and Suzianne.
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@averagejoe1 saidUh, some of us are more concerned about the fitness for office of the current president while the world is in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic.
We learn so much. From you, of course. Glad you are here. Can you fill us in on Brennan CIA Director , who personally wrote hand written notes to tie Trump to Russia, written right after he briefed Obama, show Clinton stirring up the scandal to distract from her email scandal, and OBAMA KNEW ALL ABOUT IT! And tell us why ABC< CBS and NBC reported nothing on it yesterd ...[text shortened]... d up the fact that drugs have side effects. Did you already know how to spell that particular drug?
When that is taken care of, then the focus can shift to getting the economy out of the ditch (where Trump put it) and the serious racial issues facing your country.
Maybe after that, we can turn our attention to the Russia connections. All of them !!
And most of all, remove the threats to your democracy that your Messiah President has created during his time in office.
And on that topic, I have a question for you, perhaps a sensitive question.
Do you believe that Trump was sent to America by God ??
A great many Evangelicals do. But do you ?
And if you believe that God did present Trump to America, do you believe that democracy is still required in America ??
Because, after all, if Trump is booted out of office in November (or December or January), that would mean that Americans are defying God.
In the current political climate where a sitting President rejecting or overturning the election results (or worse) is a distinct possibility, the question is valid.
What say you ??
@mghrn55 saidI take exception that Trump 'put economy in the ditch'. This is moronic of you. Covid had something to do with it,,,,,,do you remember our economy pre-covid. The man did that. You are wrong, no matter how much you say O did it. And we get tired of your saying this and that person are liars, when you look a Obama lying about healthcare, and all the lies in his administration. Tiresom indeed. So, Trump built the greatest economy in half a century,... you fellers need to get used to it.
Uh, some of us are more concerned about the fitness for office of the current president while the world is in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic.
When that is taken care of, then the focus can shift to getting the economy out of the ditch (where Trump put it) and the serious racial issues facing your country.
Maybe after that, we can turn our attention to the Russia conne ...[text shortened]... the election results (or worse) is a distinct possibility, the question is valid.
What say you ??
YOU may be concerned about 'fitness of president' for office, solely because you absolutely hate his guts 100%. Even after a great economy!!! But I am not concerned about that, as I look at un-fit senile Joe. You lose on that one,, too.
As to what we are about to Learn about your trying to get rid of Trump from day one, we HAVE to put that at top of list so that it will never be allowed to happen again. So Russia thing is important, MG, real important. Your priorities are askew.
And I find your last paragraph deplorable.
@averagejoe1 saidBecause it's obvious to any non-idiot. Trump has a long history of misinformation or outright lies; for example, when he lied to America about the seriousness of COVID-19. He's already a proven liar.
But note that you say '...he did this Because'. This is inherent in all liberals, you always say why someone does something. If he thought of a good reason while in the shower, were you in there with him? When was his reason divulged to you? Makes for awkward reading for us conservatives. He did it because!!! Really?
@averagejoe1 saidCan you read? No one's disputing that.
Here is Vivify again. You and Suzianne et al have simply got to come to grips, face the facts. If John Brennan wrote notes, in his handwriting, originals, covered with his DNA, they are factual notes in and of themselves.
The link I posted shows that Brennan said his notes were misrepresented in order to help Trump.