Originally posted by sh76But a lot of those who went there may not be American.
That US universities lead the world is a good thing, not "insult" or "injury." First, many of them will stay and work here. Second, those that study here will give our students the benefit of a more diversified education and contribute their ideas to our universities. Finally, those that do go home will bring some American culture and American ideas home with them, which increases American cultural, academic and political influence abroad.
There are lot of non Americans who went to university
including Irish who, when they got their degree went on someplace else.
True a lot would have stayed in the USA, but that was mostly motivated by money
and lifestyle rather than any loyalty to the stars and stripes.
I would say that most people who come from abroad to America and take the
Oath of allegiance only do so to gain the citizenship and lifestyle.
It wouldn't mean squat to them who was the president.
Originally posted by sonhousePatents are legalities not ideas. I have lots of ideas but no patents.
Well the thing is, most of those patents were given to Chinese kids who got their education at places like MIT, Cal Tech, Lehigh University, Princeton, Harvard, get the picture? Get the Phd here, take it home and work for their government.
I call that adding insult to injury.
And it doesn't matter if the country is Canada with 1/10th the population, ...[text shortened]... e patents are ideas, if you hadn't noticed, and if you fall behind in the idea department.....
Originally posted by AThousandYoungA very few people can make anything out of ideas with no patents.
Patents are legalities not ideas. I have lots of ideas but no patents.
Although some who did got screwed anyway, like in the movie 'Flash of Genius'. which was the true story of the guy who invented the intermittent windshield wiper, took something like 20 years to prove he was the inventor when Ford and the other big guys stole his idea and started putting them on cars. He actually went to the looney bin for a while but in the end got about 30 million bucks but lost his wife, house, and sanity along the way.
Originally posted by sonhouseMore nationalist claptrap. You kid yourself that it is American education making this possible. American money and lifestyle certainly attracts the best graduates from other countries to work in their universities and research laboratories. Conversely, the American's are having to offer competitive packages to attract foreign educated reseachers because of the limitations of American education. This is poaching by America, where scientific advance depends on foreign educated talent.
Well the thing is, most of those patents were given to Chinese kids who got their education at places like MIT, Cal Tech, Lehigh University, Princeton, Harvard, get the picture? Get the Phd here, take it home and work for their government.
I call that adding insult to injury.
And it doesn't matter if the country is Canada with 1/10th the population, ...[text shortened]... e patents are ideas, if you hadn't noticed, and if you fall behind in the idea department.....
Increasingly, the global economy is driven by science, technology, engineering and math, but a recent comparison of 15-year-olds in 65 countries found that average science scores among U.S. students ranked 23rd, while average U.S. math scores ranked 31st.From Scientific American, Sept 4 2012.
In any case, the evidence is that having a mix of researchers from around the world results in better research being done. Even if many individual researchers only work in the US for a number of years, the benefits for the US are immense. This article is from the Times Hugher Education Supplement:
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=422122&c=1
Science and engineering departments with doctoral students from several different countries tend to produce more publications and to win more citations, a US study has found.
Skilled Immigration and Innovation: Evidence from Enrolment Fluctuations in US Doctoral Programmes argues that when scholars are drawn from across the world, they bring complementary skills and ideas that aid research.
The paper's researchers analysed a database of US and foreign doctoral students at 2,300 science and engineering departments in the US from 1973 to 1998.
They looked at how many publications were produced each year and at the number of citations garnered by the papers.
If a department had 10 foreign students from five different global regions, it would on average produce 0.76 more publications and win 28.65 more citations a year than one where the international students hailed from just two regions, the research found.
Originally posted by johnnylongwoodyThis has nothing to do with oath or loyalty. I don't need foreign students to swear allegiance to the US. Just the fact that they come and study in the US is good for us, whether or not they have any intention of becoming citizens or working in the US. In any case, even if they don't come with the intention to stay, many will naturally stay just because they enjoy the lifestyle or get a job offer or meet a girl (or boy) or whatever. And those that don't stay will at least develop contacts in the US that can be helpful later on, wherever they eventually settle.
But a lot of those who went there may not be American.
There are lot of non Americans who went to university
including Irish who, when they got their degree went on someplace else.
True a lot would have stayed in the USA, but that was mostly motivated by money
and lifestyle rather than any loyalty to the stars and stripes.
I would say tha ...[text shortened]... to gain the citizenship and lifestyle.
It wouldn't mean squat to them who was the president.