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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48532869

Labour are claiming a significant victory.
(Really ... it was your seat previously!)
Brexit are claiming a victory.
(But you lost ... your votes were from disillusioned Conservatives)

The Conservatives were losers.
UKIP were losers.
But Democracy was the biggest loser.

48.4% turnout.
Less than half those eligible could not be bothered.
They should band together and vote Apathy!

But seriously ... what is to be done?

Die Cheeseburger

Provocation

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@wolfgang59 said
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48532869

Labour are claiming a significant victory.
(Really ... it was your seat previously!)
Brexit are claiming a victory.
(But you lost ... your votes were from disillusioned Conservatives)

The Conservatives were losers.
UKIP were losers.
But Democracy was the biggest loser.

48.4% turnout.
Less than half those eligible ...[text shortened]... ot be bothered.
They should band together and vote Apathy!

But seriously ... what is to be done?
Goobermint should be reduced by 51.6%.

Die Cheeseburger

Provocation

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@wolfgang59 said
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48532869

Labour are claiming a significant victory.
(Really ... it was your seat previously!)
Brexit are claiming a victory.
(But you lost ... your votes were from disillusioned Conservatives)

The Conservatives were losers.
UKIP were losers.
But Democracy was the biggest loser.

48.4% turnout.
Less than half those eligible ...[text shortened]... ot be bothered.
They should band together and vote Apathy!

But seriously ... what is to be done?
You do see the problem with your rithematics don't ewe.

The Brexit party are still a single issue party and when you look at the ups and downs you can confidently surmise that the Brexit party supporters are made up of disillusioned Tories aaaannnnnddddddd disillusioned Labor.

By your own words and observations wolfgang, you just came to the wrong conclusion.

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@wolfgang59 said
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48532869

Labour are claiming a significant victory.
(Really ... it was your seat previously!)
Brexit are claiming a victory.
(But you lost ... your votes were from disillusioned Conservatives)

The Conservatives were losers.
UKIP were losers.
But Democracy was the biggest loser.

48.4% turnout.
Less than half those eligible ...[text shortened]... ot be bothered.
They should band together and vote Apathy!

But seriously ... what is to be done?
- Why are you omitting that Labour lost 17% of their vote?

- Why are you calling UKIP losers when they increased their vote?

- Why aren’t you mentioning the Lib Dem’s who only managed a paltry 12% of the vote despite standing on a “Remain” platform?


Turnout was down 18 points on the general election and we can speculate all we want on why. I feel it’s because it was purposeful abstention on the basis of a) not liking the Brexit Party candidate (I didn’t much like him either), b) not liking Labour’s inability to stand for anything, c) not seeing the Lib Dems as a viable protest vote due to their new “Remain” stance and d) expecting a general election before the end of the year.

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@divegeester said
- Why are you omitting that Labour lost 17% of their vote?

- Why are you calling UKIP losers when they increased their vote?

- Why aren’t you mentioning the Lib Dem’s who only managed a paltry 12% of the vote despite standing on a “Remain” platform?


Turnout was down 18 points on the general election and we can speculate all we want on why. I feel it’s because ...[text shortened]... ote due to their new “Remain” stance and d) expecting a general election before the end of the year.
... and e) voter exasperation with the political process.

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@moonbus said
... and e) voter exasperation with the political process.
and f) We were playing the Netherlands last night

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@wolfgang59 said
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48532869

Labour are claiming a significant victory.
(Really ... it was your seat previously!)
Brexit are claiming a victory.
(But you lost ... your votes were from disillusioned Conservatives)

The Conservatives were losers.
UKIP were losers.
But Democracy was the biggest loser.

48.4% turnout.
Less than half those eligible ...[text shortened]... ot be bothered.
They should band together and vote Apathy!

But seriously ... what is to be done?
Here is a though, when voters vote for Brexit, follow through damn it!

Why even vote when their votes obviously don't count?

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@kevcvs57 said
and f) We were playing the Netherlands last night
Badly 😳

ENGLAND

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@whodey said
Why even vote when their votes obviously don't count?
Who’s votes don't count?

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@whodey said
Here is a though, when voters vote for Brexit, follow through damn it!
This wasn’t a vote for Brexit it was a by-election for a parliamentary seat in the House of Commons.
There are other matters at stake than just Brexit.

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@divegeester said
This wasn’t a vote for Brexit it was a by-election for a parliamentary seat in the House of Commons.
There are other matters at stake than just Brexit.
So there is no question then that Brexit will happen?

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@whodey said
So there is no question then that Brexit will happen?
Wether or not Brexit will happen or wether not there is any question about Brexit happening doesn’t change the fact that this was a parliamentary by-election.

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@wolfgang59 said

But seriously ... what is to be done?
Reform the voting system into a multi-party democracy.

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@kazetnagorra said
Reform the voting system into a multi-party democracy.
That would be an improvement.
But how do you get people to vote?

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@wolfgang59 said
That would be an improvement.
But how do you get people to vote?
Reforming the voting system is enough, people are more inclined to vote if they have more meaningful choices rather than having to choose between (what they feel are) two bad choices. For example, turnout in the last elections in Sweden was 87% even without obligatory voting.