@fornichessate removed their quoted postWhat an idiot.
Clearly you're talking about Republicans and their dumb as dirt, skeered of everything, hillbilly pussies in the South.
@shavixmir said"But if a democracy can vote to ban criminals from voting, or black people"
I disagree.
The existance of democratic fascism is a contradiction. But if a democracy can vote to ban criminals from voting, or black people, theu can vote to absolve everyone from voting altogether.
It is then no longer a democracy.
It can't actually. Democracies have constitutional protections for minorities. Having the majority take away rights from a minority or a future population is anti-democratic
@shavixmir said"Well, democratic fascism is obviously a contradiction."
Well, democratic fascism is obviously a contradiction.
But, a democracy can vote democracy away.
Why they would want to is beyond me, but theoretically it’s obviously possible.
It depends on how you define "democracy" and "fascism".
I wrote decades ago about the possibility of "fascism-democracy".
My prediction became true.
Perhaps it was true already then.
@Zahlanzi said"Democracies have constitutional protections for minorities."
"But if a democracy can vote to ban criminals from voting, or black people"
It can't actually. Democracies have constitutional protections for minorities. Having the majority take away rights from a minority or a future population is anti-democratic
Protections for minorities are actually liberal restrictions on democracy, as the majority rule.
Unfortunately, the "minorities" are vaguely defined. There is a finite list of those who are regarded as "minorities".
It also needs a specification whether we are talking about the actual democracy or theoretical democracy.
It can be argued that several so-called democratic countries are democratic only formally; they merely pretend to be democratic.
As an example, merely one example, many argue that Israel is a democratic country, in contrast to other Middle-East countries. Indeed, there are political parties and elections in Israel. However, there are also many who argue that there is an apartheid regime in Israel. And it is plausible.
Now, there are two options:
1) To say that it is an example of fascism-democracy.
2) To say that it is indeed not a democratic regime.
@Zahlanzi saidIn the US convicted criminals are not allowed to vote.
"But if a democracy can vote to ban criminals from voting, or black people"
It can't actually. Democracies have constitutional protections for minorities. Having the majority take away rights from a minority or a future population is anti-democratic
In ancient Greece, only a select group of people were allowed to vote in the democracy.
15 year olds are generally banned from voting.
@shavixmir saidlike i said. degrees of democracies.
In the US convicted criminals are not allowed to vote.
In ancient Greece, only a select group of people were allowed to vote in the democracy.
15 year olds are generally banned from voting.
Us doesn't have a true democracy, Not just barring convicted criminals but also allowing obscene amounts of money in politics.
Ancient Greece invented democracy and then they just applied it to certain men. A novel idea when kings and dictators ruled with divine mandate but that doesn't mean we can't improve it, which we did.
We decide today what democracy means. And if the core idea of democracy is that we the people decide our future, that cannot mean we decide now to no longer be able to decide later.
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@Zahlanzi said“Having the majority take away rights from a minority or a future population is anti-democratic”
"But if a democracy can vote to ban criminals from voting, or black people"
It can't actually. Democracies have constitutional protections for minorities. Having the majority take away rights from a minority or a future population is anti-democratic
This has got to be the most stupid post I have ever read …are you sure you know what “democratic” means?
@Zahlanzi saidI disagree.
like i said. degrees of democracies.
Us doesn't have a true democracy, Not just barring convicted criminals but also allowing obscene amounts of money in politics.
Ancient Greece invented democracy and then they just applied it to certain men. A novel idea when kings and dictators ruled with divine mandate but that doesn't mean we can't improve it, which we did.
W ...[text shortened]... e the people decide our future, that cannot mean we decide now to no longer be able to decide later.
I find it wholly believable that people are dumb enough to vote democracy away.
Didn’t brexiteers ultimately vote for less democracy?
Or the Scots?
@shavixmir saidi am not explaining myself well enough maybe
I disagree.
I find it wholly believable that people are dumb enough to vote democracy away.
Didn’t brexiteers ultimately vote for less democracy?
Or the Scots?
i agree it's wholly believable that people are dumb enough to vote democracy away
i agree americans could be dumb enough to vote to amend the constitution to allow trump a third term for example. and other americans would be dumb enough to stay home instead of voting.
I am saying it wouldn't be democratic.
The point i am trying to make is that for a vote to end democracy to be valid, it would have to be at the very least held every 4 years. That it should require a very large voter participation. That it shouldn't involve the american electoral college nonsense if it were held in the US.
I am fully aware there is no perfect democracy. That doesn't mean we can have a system that is both democratic and fascist just because we put a hyphen between those terms. They are antithetical.
In George Orwell's novel "1984", it has been explained. Orwell explained it already in 1948.
There is a permanent war between the imperiums. The purpose of the war is in internal politics. In democratic systems, it is allowed that, in the case of war or a similar situation, citizens' rights may be restricted. And so on.
The other point, from the same novel, is that people's minds can be manipulated by advertisements, propaganda, and mass media.
There are other methods as well. For example, incriminating the opposition.
You already have all of this.
It amounts to making the democratic system merely formally democratic.
@Suzianne saidJust jumping in here, Obama brought us communism, transgender, a lot of mess, and now he comes out , and Hillary Clinton is in Munich. ?? Why is AOC giving speeches, only to put foot in mouth by not being able to answer what she would do about Taiwan. You should Google that one! attacking Democratic policies? Obama is preaching now to the Democrat party of what a mess they’re in. He says that virtue signaling isn’t a strategy , whatever that means
Wow, you're as dumb as Cliff.
But then, you ARE Trumpublicans...
YOU people are the ones voting Democracy away.
We keep trying to tell you that Generalissimo Francisco Franco is STILL dead.
@AverageJoe1 saidAnd Trump is bringing us fascism.
Just jumping in here, Obama brought us communism, transgender, a lot of mess, and now he comes out , and Hillary Clinton is in Munich. ?? Why is AOC giving speeches, only to put foot in mouth by not being able to answer what she would do about Taiwan. You should Google that one! attacking Democratic policies? Obama is preaching now to the Democrat party of what a mess they’re in. He says that virtue signaling isn’t a strategy , whatever that means
@Mott-The-Hoople saidAre you?
“Having the majority take away rights from a minority or a future population is anti-democratic”
This has got to be the most stupid post I have ever read …are you sure you know what “democratic” means?