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@Suzianne said
This is what it boils down to, doesn't it?

Biden put off the destruction of this country for four years. Biden maintained the status quo.

Trump is directly in the process of ruining this country.

This is the basic difference between us. I am normal, you love fascism. That's it.

As I always say, some people just want to see the world burn. Trump supporters are ...[text shortened]... wet dream.

This ain't fascist Nazi Germany. But you people want it to be. With Trump as Hitler.
Sue wants status quo. Trump would ask….What did she just say.?!?!?
We finally know why they hate Trump. They do not like change. He is the magician of change..
He just gave Putin 50 days. Tough cookie, that Trump. I can’t believe Putin will blink, but f he does………"…………you will all still hate Trump. So what does that tell you about yourselves?


@Cliff-Mashburn said
So far, so good.
I'm happy with what Trump has done so far.
What's your beef against him?
You said nothing while Biden ruined the country, what TF is your problem with Trump?
Would you support someone that insults you, threatens you, and attacks you? Or would tell a person like that to GFY?

Also, Biden didn't ruin the US. He actually handled Covid better than most countries. Especially after Trumps initial disaster response. That your hatred towards the "brown" man is greater your love for the US and is blinding you is just sad.

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@mchill said
- and a messenger!


Donald Trump's central theme of vilifying all immigrants (legal or no) has gained support from a surprisingly large block of voters, leaving Democrats fumbling for something of their own they can rally around. I've never been a Trump fan, but Trump's push to get our European allies to take more financial responsibility for their own national defense is ...[text shortened]... e you going to do?

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5149247-democrats-lack-message-messenger/
I think I get what you are saying.

Our Constitution and the Bill of Rights and subsequent amendments used to be the foundation of our experiment in democracy -- and guess what? Power-mad gluttons and cowards found various ways to game our democracy and manipulate people this way and that way to stay in power.

Maybe the Dems need to rebrand themselves as The Constitutional Party, or something like that -- or maybe The Democratic Constitutionalist Party.

(I really don't know the answer to this unexpected and disappointing crap.)

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Not to be cynical, but if the promotion of democracy to other countries is really just a way to expand opportunities to manipulate other people with advertising and economic sticks and carrots -- then the USA has turned out to be a dark and shining light on Silent Hill, and just a further evolution of Nazism and Stalinism, American-style.

In my life I have moved around some within the USA but never really left it; however, over time I learned about the struggles that people in other countries have endured.

As many might know, a lot of other countries revise or update their own constitutions from time to time. Something I learned about the other day is a framework that Sukarno proposed during the early days of Indonesia's independence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancasila_(politics)

I think this was intended to help unify a population that was even more diverse than ours in present-day USA.

To the first item I might add: And may anyone who invokes God in their toolkit of political manipulation die horribly on Earth before they even get to Hell. 😉


@spruce112358 said
Medicare For All - dramatically lower healthcare costs and better outcomes

No More Student Loans - college will cost what it cost your parents, when you could pay for it by working a summer job

Solar Power Everywhere - sunlight is free; just need better power storage (overnight)

Political Reform - No more buying votes (aka Citizens United); no more gerrymandering

AI in Government - Greater efficiency; catching tax cheats; less bureaucracy
No More Tax Breaks For The Rich - No more 'special low rate' for capital gains, no more cap on SS and Medicaid contributions, no more depreciation of residential property

Hawkish on Inflation - no more lowering interest rates to please Wall Street hedge funds

Bring back the Fairness Doctrine - Turn 'Nooz' into News Again!

End Homelessness - Put people into the millions of vacant and foreign-owned properties that are kept off the market by rich speculators

Lower Costs To Support Home Ownership - oversee a massive lowering of the cost of housing by increasing supply to homebuyers instead of speculators


I swear to God - Liberals are going to win this thing IN A WALK! Who could possibly vote against ANY of this? Incredible. Amazing! 😆


@AverageJoe1 said
I aint about to discuss the ins and outs of due process, a right given to citizens who are subject to our jurisdiction. Do you know that Marauder said a couple weeks ago (look it up in 'search'😉 that if a Martian lands in Mex and walks over our sovereign border, breaking our law, an illegal alien etc, , that he IS entitled to due process.??? The one with the NexLex who ...[text shortened]... use and lives there....would you be OK with that??
Ohhhhhh, the hand-wringing conflict.
Exactly.
"due process, a right given to citizens who are subject to our jurisdiction"
nope, you're dumb. it's a right given to ANYONE within your borders

"Do you know that Marauder said a couple weeks ago (look it up in 'search'😉 that if a Martian lands in Mex and walks over our sovereign border, breaking our law, an illegal alien etc, , that he IS entitled to due process.???"
if i didn't know anything about the subject i would still bet money between the two of you he is correct..l

In this instance though i can also confidently state he is correct. The fact that you don't realize it, after both him and I explained to you what would happen if dur process was only for citizens proves just how moronic you are

"what if someone comes into your house and lives there....would you be OK with that??"
a country and a private property are two separate things and you making that analogy is another reason you're dumb

if i can drive my car without incident why am i not allowed to be an astronaut and fly a space shuttle? Don't worry about this analogy i fully expect it to fly (intended) over your head


@AverageJoe1 said
Sue wants status quo. Trump would ask….What did she just say.?!?!?
We finally know why they hate Trump. They do not like change. He is the magician of change..
He just gave Putin 50 days. Tough cookie, that Trump. I can’t believe Putin will blink, but f he does………"…………you will all still hate Trump. So what does that tell you about yourselves?
Putin starts every day laughing his ass off at Trump.

Get serious.


@AverageJoe1 said
Sue wants status quo. Trump would ask….What did she just say.?!?!?
We finally know why they hate Trump. They do not like change. He is the magician of change..
He just gave Putin 50 days. Tough cookie, that Trump. I can’t believe Putin will blink, but f he does………"…………you will all still hate Trump. So what does that tell you about yourselves?
Total non sequitur to ANYthing I've ever written here.


@Zahlanzi said
"due process, a right given to citizens who are subject to our jurisdiction"
nope, you're dumb. it's a right given to ANYONE within your borders

"Do you know that Marauder said a couple weeks ago (look it up in 'search'😉 that if a Martian lands in Mex and walks over our sovereign border, breaking our law, an illegal alien etc, , that he IS entitled to due process.???"
i ...[text shortened]... y a space shuttle? Don't worry about this analogy i fully expect it to fly (intended) over your head
Absolutely.


(Question for Joe: Isn't it embarrassing for you that this Romanian knows more about America, more about the Constitution than you?

Anyone who supports Trump is just stupid. He does NOT care about you.)


@Lundos said
Would you support someone that insults you, threatens you, and attacks you? Or would tell a person like that to GFY?

Also, Biden didn't ruin the US. He actually handled Covid better than most countries. Especially after Trumps initial disaster response. That your hatred towards the "brown" man is greater your love for the US and is blinding you is just sad.
Handled Covid? Why is Fauci in hot water right now? Tell us the good part?? Kids ordered out of school, employees ordered home, buisnesses failed...help me rhonda

AI Overview
Various individuals and entities are currently investigating Dr. Anthony Fauci, former Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), regarding his role in the COVID-19 pandemic response.
Key investigations
State Attorneys General: A coalition of state attorneys general, led by South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson, are investigating Fauci's role in the pandemic response. They are demanding accountability for alleged mismanagement, misleading statements, and suppression of scientific debate. The attorneys general argue that a presidential pardon does not shield Fauci from state-level legal action.
House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic: This subcommittee's final report details widespread failures and potential misconduct by high-ranking government officials, including Fauci, related to the COVID-19 response. The subcommittee's findings suggest that Fauci and other officials engaged in misconduct, such as misleading the public about the origins of COVID-19 and the funding of gain-of-function research in Wuhan.
FBI Investigation: FBI Director Kash Patel has indicated that the FBI continues to investigate Fauci, claiming a recent "breakthrough" with the recovery of phones used by Fauci early in the pandemic.
House Judiciary Committee: The House Judiciary Committee, led by Chairman Jim Jordan, has accused Fauci of making "false" testimony regarding a COVID cover-up and requested a subsequent interview with him. Jordan's panel is seeking all communications and documents related to the alleged suppression of the lab leak theory, attempts to evade FOIA, and communications with tech platforms.
Allegations and controversies
Misleading Statements and Suppression of Debate: Fauci is accused of misrepresenting the origins of COVID-19 and the NIH's funding of gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. He's also accused of downplaying the lab leak theory and suppressing scientific debate on pandemic policies and vaccine risks.
Influence on Intelligence Agencies: There are allegations that Fauci may have influenced the CIA's review of the origins of COVID-19, according to the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability.
Federal Records Violations: A senior advisor to Fauci, David Morens, admitted to violating NIH policies by using his personal email account to evade public records laws and discuss official government business. The National Archives and Records Administration is investigating these violations.
Financial Royalties: Fauci has testified that he received "zero" dollars from drug makers, despite a report claiming that NIH scientists received $710 million in royalties during the pandemic.
Fauci's response
Fauci has consistently defended his actions, stating that he followed the best available science and never suppressed evidence of a potential lab leak. He has also testified that he keeps an open mind regarding the origins of the virus.

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@Suzianne said
Total non sequitur to ANYthing I've ever written here.
Sue did indeed say she liked Biden's status quo,,,just above. Here I copy it for the world to see!
Sometimes, sue, you make us conservative forum monitors overwork ourselves cleaning up your misstatements and misrepresentations. Some here would call them lies!!!!!! Downer. It is not too late to get trued up.

'@Cliff-Mashburn said
You said nothing while Biden ruined the country, what TF is your problem with Trump?
This is what it boils down to, doesn't it?''

Sue answered Cliff with this . I could just scream.
''Biden put off the destruction of this country for four years. Biden maintained the status quo."

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@AverageJoe1 said
Sue did indeed say she liked Biden's status quo,,,just above. Here I copy it for the world to see!
Sometimes, sue, you make us conservative forum monitors overwork ourselves cleaning up your misstatements and misrepresentations. Some here would call them lies!!!!!! Downer. It is not too late to get trued up.

'@Cliff-Mashburn said
You said nothing while Biden ...[text shortened]... .
''Biden put off the destruction of this country for four years. Biden maintained the status quo."
And what I did NOT say, Mr. Gaslighter, is that "the status quo" is my raison d'etre. But you assumed it. Stop lying like your Orange Jesus.

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@AverageJoe1 said
Handled Covid? Why is Fauci in hot water right now? Tell us the good part?? Kids ordered out of school, employees ordered home, buisnesses failed...help me rhonda

AI Overview
Various individuals and entities are currently investigating Dr. Anthony Fauci, former Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), regarding his role in the C ...[text shortened]... ntial lab leak. He has also testified that he keeps an open mind regarding the origins of the virus.
Is this normal AI, or Musk's fascist AI?


@Suzianne said
And what I did NOT say, Mr. Gaslighter, is that "the status quo" is my raison d'etre. But you assumed it. Stop lying like your Orange Jesus.
Huh? You said 'Biden maintained the status qo." You said it quite friendly-like about your man Biden, the 6th greatest of all presidents in a recent poll.
Let your many followers decide?