http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
"A dhimmi (Arabic: ذمي, collectively: أهل الذمة, ahl al-dhimma, the people of the dhimma or pact of protection, Ottoman Turkish zimmi) was a free, non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia — Islamic law.
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A peculiar practice developed in Yemen, where Arab tribes collected jizya from Jews, offering them protection. If a Muslim from one tribe killed a Jew protected by another tribe, then the other tribe could retaliate by killing a Jew protected by the tribe of the murderer. As a result, two Jews were murdered, while no direct sanctions were imposed on the Muslims.[95]
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As recommended by many Muslim scholars, jizya was to be collected in a humiliating procedure:
[T]he collector remains seated and the infidel remains standing…, his head bowed and his back bent. The infidel must place money on the scales, while the collector holds him by his beard and strikes him on both cheeks.(Al-Nawawi)[112]
Jews, Christians, and Majians must pay the jizya… on offering up the jizya, the dhimmi must hang his head while the official takes hold of his beard and hits [the dhimmi] on the protruberant bone beneath his ear [i.e., the mandible]… (Al-Ghazali)[113]
Following this [the handing over of the jizya payment] the emir will strike the dhimmi on the neck with his fist; a man will stand near the emir to chase away the dhimmi in haste; then a second and a third will come forward to suffer the same treatment as well as all those to follow. All [Muslims] will be admitted to enjoy this spectacle. (Ahmad al-Dardi al-Adawi)[114]
On the day of payment they [the dhimmis] shall be assembled in a public place … They should be standing there waiting in the lowest and dirtiest place. The acting officials representing the law shall be placed above them and shall adopt a threatening attitude so that it seems to them, as well as to the others, that our object is to degrade them by pretending to take their possessions. They will realize that we are doing them a favor in accepting from them the jizya and letting them go free. They then shall be dragged one by one for the exacting of payment. When paying, the dhimmi will receive a blow and will be thrown aside so that he will think that he has escaped the sword through this. This is the way that the friends of the Lord, of the first and last generations, will act toward their infidel enemies, for might belongs to Allah, to His Prophet, and to the believers. (Muhammad Abd al-Karim al-Maghili)[115]
The dhimmis posture during the collection of the jizya – [lowering themselves] by walking on their hands, reluctantly; on the authority of Ibn ’Abbas (al Tabari).[116]
Some scholars explicitly link this ritual to the interpretation of Sura 9:29, that jizya was not merely to be a tax, but also a symbol of humiliation:[111]
[Saaghiruuna means] submissively… by coercion… [’an yadin means] directly, not trusting the trickery of an intermediary… by force… without resistance… in an unpraiseworthy manner… while you stand [and the dhimmi] sits with the whip in front of you [you take] the money while he has dirt on his head. (Al-Suyuti's tafsir on Sura 9:29)[117]
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Originally posted by zeeblebotWelcome to your fate! Dhimmis!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
"A dhimmi (Arabic: ذمي, collectively: أهل الذمة, ahl al-dhimma, the people of the dhimma or pact of protection, Ottoman Turkish zimmi) was a free, non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia — Islamic law.
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A peculiar practice ...[text shortened]... ou take] the money while he has dirt on his head. (Al-Suyuti's tafsir on Sura 9:29)[117]
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Originally posted by zeeblebotWhich is worse -- this or waterboarding?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
"A dhimmi (Arabic: ذمي, collectively: أهل الذمة, ahl al-dhimma, the people of the dhimma or pact of protection, Ottoman Turkish zimmi) was a free, non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia — Islamic law.
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A peculiar practice ...[text shortened]... ou take] the money while he has dirt on his head. (Al-Suyuti's tafsir on Sura 9:29)[117]
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The important thing is to convince Muslim administrations that persecution on religious grounds is not Right. Most Muslims, apart from the fanatics, accept that and see this kind of thing as anachronistic and a part of their history they want to leave behind (as Christian nations have left behind pogroms, etc. Haven't we? Yes, I think we have. Hope so.)
The key is not to damage our own credibility/morality by over-reacting. And ESPECIALLY not to give the fanatics ammunition with which to recruit and indoctrinate.
That why's Bush's upcoming veto of the anti-waterboarding bill is a mistake.
Originally posted by spruce112358You have nothing to bargain with. The only thing they want from you is for you to renounce your god and/or your heathen ways and convert to Islam or they will cut off your head.
Which is worse -- this or waterboarding?
The important thing is to convince Muslim administrations that persecution on religious grounds is not Right. Most Muslims, apart from the fanatics, accept that and see this kind of thing as anachronistic and a part of their history they want to leave behind (as Christian nations have left behind pogroms, etc. ...[text shortened]... indoctrinate.
That why's Bush's upcoming veto of the anti-waterboarding bill is a mistake.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYou don't really get why they are fighting at all, do you? You think they don't realize how strong we are and how weak they are -- militarily I mean? They know we could smear them to a radioactive glaze -- and are crazy enough to do it, if we felt overly threatened.
You have nothing to bargain with. The only thing they want from you is for you to renounce your god and/or your heathen ways and convert to Islam or they will cut off your head.
Why does somebody fight against odds like that? It's simple. Pride. And honor.
You see in them something to fear, and so make them out to be barbarians.
I see nothing to fear. Treat them with honor. Assuage their pride. And there can be peace.