Originally posted by StTitoI could not agree w/you more. 911 was used as a springboard for that.I was hootin and hollerin than too. I still am. big gov is bad for the freedom of the individual. I see Obama and that whole group in power now trying to make it even bigger.they are making steps in that direction.power grabs. only time will tell. but labeling citizens opposed to their policies" threats" is scary
Then I would would place this argument before you. When an "ism" is feared to an unhealthy extent, civil liberties tend to fall to the wayside under guise of protection. It happened all over Europe in WWII. I would argue that Democracy was all but dead between the two wars in Europe with the exception of Britain and France because of the fear of Fascism and C ...[text shortened]... is a hopless[hopefull?] moderate) would do the US some good in getting us back to the middle.
Originally posted by utherpendragonWhat do you mean by power grabs? I think in a economic crisis such as this it is the Gov job to try to boost the economy. I do not see anything in these plans Obama is implementing that threatens the liberties of the citizens. Just like what FDR did in the 30's. Having said that I feel like these policies increase the amount of bureaucracy in the Gov which is bad for the long term, but just as it did in the 70's and 80's someone will come along and shrink it again. As for labeling citizens as threats, it is the job of the CIA and the FBI to be paranoid lunatics, and the job of the president to filter out the lunacy.
I could not agree w/you more. 911 was used as a springboard for that.I was hootin and hollerin than too. I still am. big gov is bad for the freedom of the individual. I see Obama and that whole group in power now trying to make it even bigger.they are making steps in that direction.power grabs. only time will tell. but labeling citizens opposed to their policies" threats" is scary
Originally posted by StTitoalright one example of infringing on liberty. the planned compulsory service to the goverment for middle school,high school and college students......as far as fdr that was no success. the war is what took us out of the depression.the new deal did little to help the poor , middle class, and minorities
What do you mean by power grabs? I think in a economic crisis such as this it is the Gov job to try to boost the economy. I do not see anything in these plans Obama is implementing that threatens the liberties of the citizens. Just like what FDR did in the 30's. Having said that I feel like these policies increase the amount of bureaucracy in the Gov which is ...[text shortened]... A and the FBI to be paranoid lunatics, and the job of the president to filter out the lunacy.
Originally posted by utherpendragonWhat is that supposed to mean?
Ok, thats about what I expected,coming from Denmark . You resort to name calling "right wing extremist", so Im an extremist for being a veteran of the armed services, opposed to big goverment, high taxes and being pro-life.
It's not that I take offence to DHS and Ms. Napolitano, its that i am concerned seeing my freedoms systematically being stripped ...[text shortened]... nation has ever seen.
But, you being from Denmark, I wouldnt expect you to understand that.
You resort to name calling "right wing extremist", so Im an extremist for being a veteran of the armed services, opposed to big goverment, high taxes and being pro-life.
Nope that just make you right wing. And the veteran part has nothing to do with it. I don't see how that fits in?
It's not that I take offence to DHS and Ms. Napolitano, its that i am concerned seeing my freedoms systematically being stripped away by an administration with the most leftist agenda this great nation has ever seen.
What freedoms have you lost so far? (and it's comments like this that tilts you towards extremist). You know sprouting Fox Noise propaganda.
But, you being from Denmark, I wouldnt expect you to understand that.
Again, what is that supposed to mean?
Originally posted by utherpendragonLOL. Wtf? FDR no success? War took you out of depression. Please, oh please tell me why you think this - and back it up with FACTS please.
alright one example of infringing on liberty. the planned compulsory service to the goverment for middle school,high school and college students......as far as fdr that was no success. the war is what took us out of the depression.the new deal did little to help the poor , middle class, and minorities
Originally posted by utherpendragonDefine "big government" and "freedom of the individual", and explain how the former impairs the latter.
I could not agree w/you more. 911 was used as a springboard for that.I was hootin and hollerin than too. I still am. big gov is bad for the freedom of the individual. I see Obama and that whole group in power now trying to make it even bigger.they are making steps in that direction.power grabs. only time will tell. but labeling citizens opposed to their policies" threats" is scary
Originally posted by KazetNagorraDa...da...da big gobberment try contro all abspects ob pepulls wives an derfor impairs indivdal freedom. Duh !!! No dfinitions needed. Now go get a job and contribute to the betterment of your fellow man. Duh !!! You're a bit too old to never have had a job. Do you need definition of, "GET A JOB" ?
Define "big government" and "freedom of the individual", and explain how the former impairs the latter.
Gwanny.
Originally posted by Lundosthese are facts, anybody well informed should know this.(im not gonna list a myriad of web sites and books. you can research it your self if you dont believe me.the new deal did little to help blacks, the poor, and the middle class. Also,americas biggest industrial collapse occured in 1937. 8 yrs after the 1929 stock market crash,nearly 5 yrs into the new deal. american factories made war goods to sell to european countries such as britan,because there was a war🙂. after pearl harbor over 10,000,000 american men into service in one form or another. this opened up a huge demand to supply them and the depression was over.afterwards,a comprehensive vet benefit package was legislated.the liberal vet & housing benefit resulted in increased productivity & a construction boom.
LOL. Wtf? FDR no success? War took you out of depression. Please, oh please tell me why you think this - and back it up with FACTS please.
Originally posted by Lundosi am glad you like my humor 🙂 seriously though, the protest we just had(tea parties) were only given fair & accurate coverage by fox.that is a fact as far as the T.V. networks go. now i dont take everything i hear on fox as the gospel truth. i check out all of them(news outlets),then wade through their agendas.several news papers a day as well as the web.
Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha. HA! You are a funny man. I like it. Good humour.
Originally posted by Lundosby referring to denmark i assume that is where he lives,hence the flag. not being born and raised here you cant really know how it is. all your info is second hand and or spoon fed by leftist sources(judging from his comments). being an arm chair critic from half-way across the world is easy but it holds no weight w/me.
What is that supposed to mean?
[b] You resort to name calling "right wing extremist", so Im an extremist for being a veteran of the armed services, opposed to big goverment, high taxes and being pro-life.
Nope that just make you right wing. And the veteran part has nothing to do with it. I don't see how that fits in?
It's not that I take of ...[text shortened]... mark, I wouldnt expect you to understand that.
Again, what is that supposed to mean?[/b]