Did Roe v. Wade Lead to Lower Crime Rates?

Originally posted by telerion
[b]If you would add the number of abortions to the number of crimes you would probably see a rise in crime rates.

A lesson in self-evidence, ivanhoe?[/b]

Maybe if we would add the number of third term abortions to the crime rate we would of course see a different picture also.

As you know Bbarr has defended many times on this site that performing an abortion on an unborn child of six months and older is murder. I'm sure these abortions were also not counted as crimes in the study we are discussing here.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Then how come you didn't answer it, jerkwad (God, I luvvvvv that word)?

I commented on it, didn't you notice, you vulgar Jerry Springer fan ?

Can't you see the danger that people will present abortion as a way of reducing crime as you did in your post asking that very question, you moron ? You don't know what you are doing and you have no idea of what you're saying, genius.

Now tell me, what is your answer to that question, Jerry-can ?

Originally posted by kirksey957
What would be your feelings and thoughts about requiring teenagers (throughout highschool) to be on birthcontrol. I am well aware of libertarian issues, but we also require (for the most part) children to be immunized before they enter school.

Kirk: "What would be your feelings and thoughts about requiring teenagers (throughout highschool) to be on birthcontrol."

Are you in favour of that idea ?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Kirk: "What would be your feelings and thoughts about requiring teenagers (throughout highschool) to be on birthcontrol."

Are you in favour of that idea ?

I'm inclined to believe that teenageres on this site shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

Originally posted by wucky3
coincidently I have been reading up on considered choices, genetics and prenatal testing tonight and was surprised to discover that The British Medical Journal reported that while screening costs up to £38,000 to ‘avoid the birth of a Down’s syndrome child’, this could be balanced against the estimated costs of £120,000. 90% of parents choose to abort..I'm w ...[text shortened]... ity many of the health professionals give information which is based on myth and assumption....

In the Netherlands the economic and financial aspects of abortion and euthanasia are more and more discussed openly and shamelessly in debate.

Originally posted by kirksey957
I'm inclined to believe that teenageres on this site shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

When do you ever answer a question, Kirk, without hiding behind your mask of humour, you coward ?

Just say you don't want to answer the question. That's clear and I won't bother you again.

Originally posted by ivanhoe

I commented on it, didn't you notice, you vulgar Jerry Springer fan ?

Can't you see the danger that people will present abortion as a way of reducing crime as you did in your post asking that very question, you moron ? You don't know what you are doing and you have no idea of what you're saying, genius.

Now tell me, what is your answer to that question, Jerry-can ?

It was a rhetorical question designed to stimulate discussion and debate + to piss you off, Ivanhoe.

Originally posted by no1marauder
There has been about a 5 fold increase in people in jail and prison since the 1970's and I always assumed that that factor accounted for most of the 1990's drop. But his argument makes a lot of intuitive sense and he says he has stats to back it up. While my position on abortion is based on fundamental rights and this data has no effect on my po ...[text shortened]... so stated that rates of infanticide have declined dramatically as well, another logical result).

ET(No1Maurauder) : "While my position on abortion is based on fundamental rights and this data has no effect on my position, it's would be an interesting side benefit (he also stated that rates of infanticide have declined dramatically as well, another logical result)."

Very logical, ET. The child is not murdered after but BEFORE birth, stupid. People who call this lowering the crime rate should be shot immediately. That would raise the average IQ in the country dramatically. That is also very logical, ET.

Originally posted by no1marauder
It was a rhetorical question designed to stimulate discussion and debate + to piss you off, Ivanhoe.

It seemed to piss you off more than it did me, ET.

I have the strong impression you are very pleased with these "studies" of dubious origine, Dr. Spock.
Why don't you address the issue substantially, jerry-can.

Originally posted by ivanhoe

It seemed to piss you off more than it did me, ET.

I have the strong impression you are very pleased with these "studies" of dubious origine, Dr. Spock.
Why don't you address the issue substantially, jerry-can.

What issue is that, Ivanhoe?

EDIT: You can't murder something before birth (or at least viability).

Originally posted by no1marauder
What issue is that, Ivanhoe?

EDIT: You can't murder something before birth (or at least viability).

If you think you cannot murder someone before birth you should talk to Bbarr.

No1: "What issue is that, Ivanhoe?

The study you are presenting in this thread, No1 and the issue it raises. Reading your own first post would also help in this regard, genius.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
If you think you cannot murder someone before birth you should talk to Bbarr.

No1: "What issue is that, Ivanhoe?

The study you are presenting in this thread, No1 and the issue it raises. Reading your own first post would also help in this regard, genius.

If you think that Bbarr thinks every third trimester abortion is murder, then you haven't read his stuff very carefully just like you failed to read my ().

I haven't seen the actual study and I'd have to fork out $30 bucks of my beer money to do so, so I haven't come to a conclusion on whether his conclusion is supported by the data. As I had never heard this hypothesis before, I thought it was interesting. As I've already said, whether it's true or not would have no bearing on my position on whether I think it's anybody's individual or collective business whether somebody else has an abortion.

And if abortion is murder how come you don't support long prison sentences for woman who get abortions?

Originally posted by no1marauder
If you think that Bbarr thinks every third trimester abortion is murder, then you haven't read his stuff very carefully just like you failed to read my ().

I haven't seen the actual study and I'd have to fork out $30 bucks of my beer money to do so, so I haven't come to a conclusion on whether his conclusion is supported by the data ...[text shortened]... bortion is murder how come you don't support long prison sentences for woman who get abortions?

No1: "If you think that Bbarr thinks every third trimester abortion is murder, .... "

I never said that, Dumbo. It is amazing to see how you distort and twist your opponents words, Mr No no.

The majority of your rants are not worth reading because they are in effect Ad Hominems, meaning they are uninteresting, boring and superflous rants. You never adress the heart of the matter. You always digress in order to lure the opponent in discussing all kinds of strawmen and irrelevant "analogies". You think you're quite a man but in reality you lack stamina and real backbone. You're a loser of gigantic proportions and are looking for some compensation in trying to be vulgar and funny, usually in a way that requires a big mouth of equal gigantic proportions. You're constantly accusing others of your own shortcomings. You're not a civil debator, you're a vulgar streetfighter.

Originally posted by no1marauder
I was watching a discussion with economist Stephen Leavitt on C-Span about his new book Freakonomics. In one part of the book and on the show, he postulated that legalizing abortion in the early 1970's was the major factor contributing to the drop in crime rates during the 1990's. I found this excerpt on the net:

So how did Roe v. Wade help ...[text shortened]... ).

Is legalized abortion the greatest crime fighting technique the US ever produced?

so if your mom is a poor teenager we should kill you?

makes sense

its like preventing crimes by profiling against a certain class and killing their kids awsome!

Originally posted by ivanhoe
No1: "If you think that Bbarr thinks every third trimester abortion is murder, .... "

I never said that, Dumbo. It is amazing to see how you distort and twist your opponents words, Mr No no.

The majority of your rants are not worth ...[text shortened]... You're not a civil debator, you're a vulgar streetfighter.

Really? But you said this on this very page:

Ivanhoe: As you know Bbarr has defended many times on this site that performing an abortion on an unborn child of six months and older is murder.

No exceptions there so you did say it. Now don't you feel silly, Ivanhoe?

You really need to stop getting so worked up. Here Nyxie, Kirksey, Telerion and I were having a nice civil discussion on the possible social benefits of murdering unborn children and you come in insulting people. That's very rude, Ivanhoe, it's people like you with those tactics that ruin the civil discourse on this site. Why you scared everybody away with your insults and shouting; aren't you ashamed of yourself, Ivanhoe?