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  1. 03 Nov '17 14:24
    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/02/elizabeth-warren-democratic-primary-rigged-clinton-244487

    It is astounding how Hillary is being thrown under the bus, along with her supporters like Harvey Weinstein. They now admit what right wingers had accused them of.

    So who here thinks that Harvey or Hillary would have been thrown under the bus had they won?

    Anyone?
  2. 03 Nov '17 15:26
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/02/elizabeth-warren-democratic-primary-rigged-clinton-244487

    It is astounding how Hillary is being thrown under the bus, along with her supporters like Harvey Weinstein. They now admit what right wingers had accused them of.

    So who here thinks that Harvey or Hillary would have been thrown under the bus had they won?

    Anyone?
    I think it is one of the reasons as candidate as bad as Trump won the election.
  3. 03 Nov '17 16:18
    Originally posted by @quackquack
    I think it is one of the reasons as candidate as bad as Trump won the election.
    It is amazing to me how conservatives warned about Obamacare being a lie, that it would lead to higher prices and ultimately put in place to usher in a single payer system, warned that the Dim Primary was rigged, warned that releasing the prisoners at club Gitmo would just lead to more terrorism, etc., all of these things have proven to be true. However, they never get any credit.
  4. Standard member vivify
    rain
    03 Nov '17 16:43 / 6 edits
    Originally posted by @whodey
    It is amazing to me how conservatives warned about Obamacare being a lie, that it would lead to higher prices and ultimately put in place to usher in a single payer system, warned that the Dim Primary was rigged, warned that releasing the prisoners at club Gitmo would just lead to more terrorism, etc., all of these things have proven to be true. However, they never get any credit.
    However, they never get any credit

    That's because Republicans are the ones who caused premiums to go up:

    https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/02/16/16766/elimination-public-option-threw-consumers-insurance-wolves

    Elimination of 'public option' threw consumers to the insurance wolves


    The Public Option would've competed with insurers, causing prices to go down. Republicans, being in the pocket of Big Business insurance companies, saw to it that didn't happen. Why would conservatives get any credit for predicting something they caused? Joe Lieberman had FREQUENT appearances on Fox News, and helped garner Republican support for killing the public option. He was also (surprise) paid by corporate insurers:

    Since every single solitary Republican was against the Public Option, the handful of bribed Dems needed to pass the Public option being bought by insurers killed it. What caused premiums to go up? The combination of the ENTIRE Republican party and just a few bribed Dems (who had the votes needed to pass it) killed the Public Option.

    I've already explained this to you MANY times. You have a convenient case of amnesia when it suits you.
  5. Standard member vivify
    rain
    03 Nov '17 16:45
    Originally posted by @whodey
    It is amazing to me how conservatives warned about Obamacare being a lie, that it would lead to higher prices and ultimately put in place to usher in a single payer system, warned that the Dim Primary was rigged, warned that releasing the prisoners at club Gitmo would just lead to more terrorism, etc., all of these things have proven to be true. However, they never get any credit.
    Honestly, what a stupid fkng post. This is like asking "Hey, why don't whites get any credit for ending slavery???"
  6. 03 Nov '17 20:18 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify to Whodey
    Honestly, what a stupid fkng post. This is like asking "Hey, why don't whites get any credit for ending slavery???"
    "This is like asking "Hey, why don't whites get any credit for ending slavery???"
    --Vivify

    I have met white people who give all white people complete credit for 'ending slavery'.
    They believe it shows that white people must be morally far superior to everyone else.
  7. 04 Nov '17 00:26
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    "This is like asking "Hey, why don't whites get any credit for ending slavery???"
    --Vivify

    I have met white people who give all white people complete credit for 'ending slavery'.
    They believe it shows that white people must be morally far superior to everyone else.
    If someone objects to this white self-congratulation by saying that whites *started* enslaving blacks
    (though, to be fair, there was some slavery among black Africans apart from white Europeans),
    these whites would reply that their past enslavement of blacks is further proof of white superiority.
    After all, it's the 'superior race' that enslaves the 'inferior race', not the other way around.
    The white European enslavement of black Africans 'proved' that white people are much
    more intelligent and powerful and destined to lead, while non-white people must learn to follow.