01 Dec 11
http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2011/12/01/on-being-demonized-a-disabled-38-degrees-members-perspective/
This angry blog sets out a bleak account of the way the Coalition government has attacked disabled people in Britain and the Tory media has endorsed their behaviour by demonising the most vulnerable in our community.
Meanwhile the Goverment deals with the collapse in tax revenues by losing 2,500 staff - from the Tax Collection role! It maintains costly tax breaks for the rich and condones a culture of avoidance.
01 Dec 11
I have a question for you:
Is there ever a point where a government gives too much money to people who don't have a job? Is there ever a point where the government can't afford to give money away?
I'm sure that point is different in different countries, but would you complain about cutting back benefits if the government had actually promised more than it could afford to pay?
We'd all love to see everyone with enough money to live good lives, but there is a limit to the amount of money a government can spend. It is impossible to perpetually kick the can down the road.
01 Dec 11
Originally posted by EladarCutbacks require a process of reappraising priorities. Do you think disabled people should be a higher priority in terms of government support than other groups? Or lower?
I have a question for you:
Is there ever a point where a government gives too much money to people who don't have a job? Is there ever a point where the government can't afford to give money away?
I'm sure that point is different in different countries, but would you complain about cutting back benefits if the government had actually promised more than ...[text shortened]... f money a government can spend. It is impossible to perpetually kick the can down the road.
02 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFIs it priorities or managing an economy? As today's world clearly points out, you can't do much if the economy tanks. The main priority is to fix the economy, then we can prioritize the groups.
Cutbacks require a process of reappraising priorities. Do you think disabled people should be a higher priority in terms of government support than other groups? Or lower?
Does this mean we can't tax the rich? Of course not. What it does mean is that we can't over tax the rich and we need to set up conditions under which the private sector can thrive.
02 Dec 11
Originally posted by EladarSince the top income tax rate in the UK is a mere 40%, the UK can easily afford heavy tax increases in the top brackets. Indeed, this is the single best method to kickstart an economic recovery.
Is it priorities or managing an economy? As today's world clearly points out, you can't do much if the economy tanks. The main priority is to fix the economy, then we can prioritize the groups.
Does this mean we can't tax the rich? Of course not. What it does mean is that we can't over tax the rich and we need to set up conditions under which the private sector can thrive.
02 Dec 11
Originally posted by EladarBy all means, don't answer my question. It's ok.
Is it priorities or managing an economy? As today's world clearly points out, you can't do much if the economy tanks. The main priority is to fix the economy, then we can prioritize the groups.
Does this mean we can't tax the rich? Of course not. What it does mean is that we can't over tax the rich and we need to set up conditions under which the private sector can thrive.
02 Dec 11
Originally posted by KazetNagorraYeah, I know that you believe in very heavy taxation. I have doubts that taking money out of the economy to pump back a smaller portion of that money is the most efficient way of doing things.
Since the top income tax rate in the UK is a mere 40%, the UK can easily afford heavy tax increases in the top brackets. Indeed, this is the single best method to kickstart an economic recovery.
You have to pay for all the government hoops that bring taxed money back into the economy.
02 Dec 11
Originally posted by EladarAhhhh, that's really objective of you.
Is it priorities or managing an economy? As today's world clearly points out, you can't do much if the economy tanks. The main priority is to fix the economy, then we can prioritize the groups.
Does this mean we can't tax the rich? Of course not. What it does mean is that we can't over tax the rich and we need to set up conditions under which the private sector can thrive.
02 Dec 11
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If we can afford to keep bailing out and keep an ongoing supply of billions to banks and keep subsidising private companies on both sides of the atlantic then surely we can at least give disabled citizens eough to have a decent life.
Of course there will be a minority of healthy who try to claim falsely but they can easily be detected.
02 Dec 11
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Originally posted by skipper2666We can't afford it. That's the point. The big crash is going to happen, it is just being put off and being made worse.
If we can afford to keep bailing out and keep an ongoing supply of billions to banks and keep subsidising private companies on both sides of the atlantic then surely we can at least give disabled citizens eough to have a decent life.
Of course there will be a minority of healthy who try to claim falsely but they can easily be detected.
Same thing when it comes to Social Programs we can't afford.
It doesn't matter what causes it, the result is still the same. Either form of irresponsibility brings terrible consequences.
02 Dec 11
Originally posted by EladarRedistribution requires very few "hoops".
Yeah, I know that you believe in very heavy taxation. I have doubts that taking money out of the economy to pump back a smaller portion of that money is the most efficient way of doing things.
You have to pay for all the government hoops that bring taxed money back into the economy.
02 Dec 11
Originally posted by EladarNorway.
We can't afford it. That's the point. The big crash is going to happen, it is just being put off and being made worse.
Same thing when it comes to Social Programs we can't afford.
It doesn't matter what causes it, the result is still the same. Either form of irresponsibility brings terrible consequences.
03 Dec 11
Originally posted by EladarI'll try again. Cutbacks require a process of reappraising priorities. Do you think disabled people should be a higher or lower priority in terms of government support than other groups? This is not "simplistic". This is exactly the kind of real world decision one has to make when prioritizing what must be cut and what must not be cut. This thread is about people with disabilities. You have posted five times already on this thread without using the word disability or disabilities. It seems you don't want to address the issue.
I answered your question by pointing out that your question is a bit simplistic.
03 Dec 11
Originally posted by EladarIs heavy taxation "taking money out of the economy"?
Yeah, I know that you believe in very heavy taxation. I have doubts that taking money out of the economy to pump back a smaller portion of that money is the most efficient way of doing things.
You have to pay for all the government hoops that bring taxed money back into the economy.
Surely its just redistributing it?