Please, try to keep this thread as calm and non-specific as we can.
Rajk999 posted this in another thread. I think he's made some good points in it.
1. Absentee fathers - one man impregnating several women and moving on, thereby destroying several families and creating single mothers.
2. Low educational achievement - kids are not able to go to school, or properly function in school, because of #1
3. Lack of marketable skills and low paying jobs - caused by #2
4. A life of crime, drugs and prostitution caused by #1, 2, 3.
5. Blaming whites and others and not accepting responsibility for their own failure, so the problem will never get solved. Caused by BLM and people like you who make excuses for them.
6. Sitting around and waiting for reparations, caused by gross stupidity.
The first one - absentee fathers - is a real biggie. What chance has any kid got for a decent upbringing and education if his mother has to make a choice between parenting and feeding him? How did he even get born in the first place, if there weren't two people wanting him to be? First step here could be universal free contraception, with backup free early abortion for when it sometimes fails. Better for the taxpayer to fund that, rather than coughing up for lifetime welfare for a kid with very little chance of a decent future. If we could solve #1, the other points would follow, surely.
Generally, who is more likely to exhibit the issues in your OP: people who come from low-income homes or higher income homes?
Think about this question for a moment.
Now: who else exhibits similar stereotypes to what's mentioned in your OP: Poor whites, especially those in the south. These stereotypes are staples of the whites referred to as "redneck", "white trash" or "trailer trash".
Is it a coincidence that poor whites have the same stereotypes as poor blacks?
Now: what is the major difference, historically speaking, between poor whites and poor blacks? The answer is obvious. One group has been legally and systemically oppressed in ways that forced poverty onto a group. Not only poverty, but horrific violence, lynching, living in constant fear, being denied jobs or access to basic services.
After over 100 years of this (post slavery), what kinds of patterns can you expect to see from such people?
The biggest issue with racists like Rajk is that they deliberately ignore historical context to demonize a group of people. Nothing I said is new or unknown; but racism doesn't care about context.
https://www.ebony.com/affluent-african-american-neghborhoods/
The link above lists some of the most affluent black neighborhoods in the U.S. Let's look at the first one mentioned, Olympia Fields. It has one of the lowest crime rates in the country:
https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/city/illinois/olympia_fields
This should explain the issues raised by the OP. Problems like absentee fathers, crime, drug use, etc., are symptoms of black America's plight. They are not the causes.
I was hoping for some contributions which didn't immediately assume I was talking about the US. All first-world countries have an underbelly of disadvantage. Colour isn't the fundamental cause, it's difference. They're not like us, are they? And we need to have someone to point to and say, I'm better than ...
@kewpie saidTake the Netherlands.
I was hoping for some contributions which didn't immediately assume I was talking about the US. All first-world countries have an underbelly of disadvantage. Colour isn't the fundamental cause, it's difference. They're not like us, are they? And we need to have someone to point to and say, I'm better than ...
In the 70’s they had a worker shortage and start shipping in workers.
Who moves to anotger country to start a new life, generally speaking? The disadvantaged. So, low education, etc.
And where are these people generally needed? In low skill jobs. Generally, in cities.
So, you get an influx of foreign workers, settling in the cheaper areas of a city to do low paid jobs. This doesn’t only create poverty bubbles, it creates cultural, linguistic bubbles, etc.
These bubbles of, lets call them poverty, are very hard to break; especially since they’ve created a form of identity.
Take a look at the Maroccan bubble. Since the rise of anti-muslim sentiment since 911, we’ve seen an increase in religious conservativism in their communities. But, the drive to educate has broken through as well… but.. mainly to the young women.
So, the younger women are getting batchelor degrees in everything from law to business, the young men are sticking to manual labour, unemployment, etc.
But, because of the religious element in that bubble, the young women generally want Maroccan Islamic husbands… but they also want husbands who aren’t hanging out on street corners wolf whistling at women.
That’s going to be a serious issue in the next 10 to 15 years.
I work with a couple of young, well educated, Moroccan women. Very religious… some don’t wear headscarves though, single (and I mean never even kissed in their lives) who have entered a workplace with atheists (which blows their minds) and men who treat them as equals.
You can literally see worlds colliding.
And the same goes for black communities. In the Netherlands that’s generally Aruban
And Suriname communities. The more they enter higher educated workplaces, a slow process for sure, but it’s happening, the less likely they are to have split families, etc.
To sum it all up: circumstances create poverty traps, and cause and reaction are only worth considering when wanting to avoid them in the future.
What needs to be done is breaking the poverty trap. You have to educate people.
And that is a generational planning you’re talking about. It’s a slow process.
@vivify saidI would expect them to wake up one morning and say
After over 100 years of this (post slavery), what kinds of patterns can you expect to see from such people?
- I am going to change my future
- I am not going to impregnate another woman, but try my best to look after the 4 kids I already have with 4 different women
- I am going to teach my sons not to live a life of sexual immorality and crime.
- I am going to educate my daughters and teach them good family values.
- I am going to look after my responsibilities instead of blaming whites and slavery that happened hundreds of years ago.
But we all know that not happening, they continue with lame excuses, just like you.
Slavery did not affect all of the blacks all over the world. In areas where there was no slavery the very same problems exist.
@shavixmir saidThe post is referring to the problems blacks have all over the world, and it has nothing to do with slavery, neither white supremacy, nor what is going on in your backyard. The problem is that a very high % of black men [nobody is saying all blacks] cannot keep their dick in their pants. Instead they go around
Take the Netherlands.
In the 70’s they had a worker shortage and start shipping in workers.
Who moves to anotger country to start a new life, generally speaking? The disadvantaged. So, low education, etc.
And where are these people generally needed? In low skill jobs. Generally, in cities.
So, you get an influx of foreign workers, settling in the cheaper areas of a ...[text shortened]... e to educate people.
And that is a generational planning you’re talking about. It’s a slow process.
- impregnating as many women as they can
- they abandon their children and the women
- they avoid paying child support
- they fail to show the love and support required to create strong stable families.
Black women are no different. They too are very promiscious.
The end result is s series of problems, all of which can be traced back to promiscious men who fail to do their duty as a father and husband..
All races have this behaviour but it is highest In the black communities - 50 to 60 % of the population, while it is lowest among Asians it is about 15%.
@kewpie saidYou going make lots of enemies with this post and get called lots of names, but I guess you dont care. The first step to solving this problem is not contraception and abortion. Those are plasters that do not reach to the core problem
Please, try to keep this thread as calm and non-specific as we can.
Rajk999 posted this in another thread. I think he's made some good points in it.
1. Absentee fathers - one man impregnating several women and moving on, thereby destroying several families and creating single mothers.
2. Low educational achievement - kids are not able to go to school, or properly functio ...[text shortened]... very little chance of a decent future. If we could solve #1, the other points would follow, surely.
The first step is back to a healthy respect for God, religion or some spiritual values. There are some African tribes who demonstrate good family values and who are not tainted by western civilization, and the accompanying excuse-making when it comes to the responsibility of the father. So it is not necessarily something in the DNA of the blacks that causes this problem. It is mostly society and failure of the family.
@rajk999 saidYou're making this about skin colour. It's not. It's about generational disadvantage. Children learn what they're taught but also what they see around them. Well-meaning folk who support disadvantaged children teach those children's parents that it's OK to not be too bothered about providing care for them. Better to support those children by educating and encouraging their parents so that they can provide care themselves. But we don't do that, we give schoolbooks to the kids and welfare to their parents instead of job training and parenting training.
You going make lots of enemies with this post and get called lots of names, but I guess you dont care. The first step to solving this problem is not contraception and abortion. Those are plasters that do not reach to the core problem
The first step is back to a healthy respect for God, religion or some spiritual values. There are some African tribes who demonstrate goo ...[text shortened]... in the DNA of the blacks that causes this problem. It is mostly society and failure of the family.
Leave organised religion out of it, it's unhelpful. Teach everyone the Golden Rule and the benefits of making your own way in life using your own resources. Make sure that everyone has the tools they need to get on with their own lives with hope rather than fear.
@kewpie saidThese are thoughtful problems for sure, in this imperfect world. We can hardly get 'in the house' to guide folks who live in these circumstances. I have changed my position to pay for contraceptives, to be prescribed by social workers, so losers looking for recreational sex could not take advantage of government programs intended for this purpose.
Please, try to keep this thread as calm and non-specific as we can.
Rajk999 posted this in another thread. I think he's made some good points in it.
1. Absentee fathers - one man impregnating several women and moving on, thereby destroying several families and creating single mothers.
2. Low educational achievement - kids are not able to go to school, or properly functio ...[text shortened]... very little chance of a decent future. If we could solve #1, the other points would follow, surely.
The Low Paying Jobs exist, for sure, and if someone's circumstance leaves them with only that choice (to work their way out of it as years go by), they could begin with it and PLAN to get ahead.... for example, not have children, get TWO of those jobs and live the life that they are in. Keep their heads up and not bitch and fester about people who have more than they do, or who are white, but rather, strive to get ahead.
Keep it simple, in other words. Focus. There are community advisors, like Obama used to be, to get them off on the right foot. There are some who enjoy a troubled existence, so have our funded police force keep an eye on them, like the absent fathers. Invoke tougher rules. Life ain't perfect. You know, (off subject for humor), Hunter better be glad life is not perfect or he would be doing time!
@rajk999 saidWhen they wake up in a world with racists like you who hate them, changing their future isn't merely a matter of choice. Blacks in South Africa can't just "wake up" and will a better future when the economy is still controlled by racist whites.
I would expect them to wake up one morning and say
- I am going to change my future
But again: racists like yourself don't need an excuse to continue being hateful. Facts and history don't matter to you.
Florida recently approved school curriculums to teach "benefits" of slavery.
One common trait of white supremacy is to downplay atrocities minorities suffered and shift blame to victims of white oppressors for their disadvantages. Rajk spewing racist stereotypes like the ones in the OP is a common example.
@vivify saidWhen a man decides to allow the opinion of others to negatively affect his life he is a weakling, a hopeless loser, a man of straw and destined to failure and poverty. Strong men start off every day with the vow to make each day better regardless of the obstacles and opinions of others.. People like you encourage weaklings to find excuses to continue to live in poverty.
When they wake up in a world with racists like you who hate them, changing their future isn't merely a matter of choice. Blacks in South Africa can't just "wake up" and will a better future when the economy is still controlled by racist whites.
But again: racists like yourself don't need an excuse to continue being hateful. Facts and history don't matter to you.
@vivify saidI do not have slavery in my history but I had something similar. Under British Imperialism East Indians were brought to the Caribbean to work on the sugar plantations, for minimal wages. It was the next thing to slavery. I thank the Queen of England for doing that. Every day I am reminded that had it not been for the British, I would still be in India probably living in slums in abject poverty. Now I am educated and living happily thanks to the Catholic Church and the British Empire.
Florida recently approved school curriculums to teach "benefits" of slavery.
One common trait of white supremacy is to downplay atrocities minorities suffered and shift blame to victims of white oppressors for their disadvantages. Rajk spewing racist stereotypes like the ones in the OP is a common example.
So people like you who do not understand what this life is about can go to hell with your nonsense theories that will continue to cause blacks to fail. If after hundreds of years you jokers are still talking about victim and abuser then you still a long way off from a successful life and that is your fault.